how to 2 pack

[waynos]

wanna get with the times and start painting 2 pack
just wondering if theres much difference to acrylic?
are gun pressures etc the same?
can i paint straight over my acrylic?
thinkin candy red roof
my paint shop werent very helpful
but the candy they had was 2 pack
i want to lay a silver metalic base
but  do i have to prime it?
also i will be painting in a carport
do i need to hire a booth?
if so how much is booth hire
i wont be able to afford it
after the paint cost haha
any advice appreciated

[NES304]

Start with the right mask mate. Ya dont wanna breathe that crap

[GMB-58FC]

Waynos,

first things first,  the hardener for 2k contains isocyanate, which is extremely toxic so that rules out spraying in your carport for your health and everyone else.  2K should only EVER be sprayed in a full ventilated booth with sufficient extraction.

You can spray over top of your original paint but again its not recommended due to the solvent/thinners in the new paint reacting with the old paint and can cause blistering/peeling.

I've always increased pressure when spraying 2k as (normal acrylic & most paints around 60psi) but due to the higher viscosity of 2k it needs to be higher to ensure complete atomization.

The equipment and time involved is costly and that's why you pay more for a 2k paint job by the pros.

IMO your better off paying a pro to do the job given the cost of materials upfront and how easy it is to waste or stick with acrylic.

Cheers

Ben

[waynos]

thanks guys
i got a good mask
itll be at my parents in the bush so not really anyone to kill but myself
a panel beater told me to put blankets up the overspray will stick to that
and i aint about to pay a pro cause ive done everything myself to this point
except got my dizzy rebuilt and got my battery cables made so,
im only doin the roof
 i figure im not the first to do this outside
i got a 1.4 tip gravity feed will that be ok?
i know about paint reacting with different paints
itll give me somethin to look at through the candy
hahaha

[waynos]

ive heard you can get candies in acrylic
does anyone know where??

[Mc Bean]

Hi Waynos

If you are not sure of the outcome of your first 2 pak job, practice on a mates car first. 

Andrew

[GMB-58FC]

ive heard you can get candies in acrylic
does anyone know where??

You can buy candy/pearl etc acrylic or mix you own, have a chat to your local paint supply store as I'm sure they would have something instock.

If not you can get it off Ebay for about $15 delivered from the US.

Be aware when using an acrylic based candy/pearl that they are generally designed for a tri-coat application using a HVLP
(High pressure/ Low volume) system and should be done in a booth so you have a steady temperature.

[waynos]

andrew,
practice on a mates car first................hahaha
 the best way isnt it?

[waynos]

i have a really good paint supplier but it was friday arvo they were about to close so didnt wanna answer my questions.........i dont see why i cant paint candy in the carport..........not everyone had a shed in the 50s..........more bugs and crap the better hahaha......its a beater i just wanna break up the satin black a bit

[waynos]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CANDY-RED-METAL-FLAKE-FLAKES-CUSTOM-PAINT-METALFLAKE-/251119952055?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a77ea60b7
what do ya reckon about this stuff
i can just mix it into clear acrylic right?
wondering if i need a silver base?
as i said just tryin to break up the black
dont want it too fancy
just thought the candy red will match the horn cap and tail lights

[GMB-58FC]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CANDY-RED-METAL-FLAKE-FLAKES-CUSTOM-PAINT-METALFLAKE-/251119952055?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a77ea60b7
what do ya reckon about this stuff
i can just mix it into clear acrylic right?
wondering if i need a silver base?
as i said just tryin to break up the black
dont want it too fancy
just thought the candy red will match the horn cap and tail lights

Waynos that's the stuff.

It just depends if you want a flake or pearl finish.  If you want a pearl finish you will need the powder and not the flake.  To get the best results when spraying candy/pearls you generally use silver, gold or black base depending on the colour your applying.

Silver or black will work for red depending on how dark you require it.

Yes you mix it in with your clear but it comes back to a tri coat application eg: BASE/PEARL/CLEAR.

You want roughly a 70% overlap using HVLP about 6-8" away so you don't get runs or apply to thick and between 4-6 top coats of clear.

Its not so much about not being able to spray in a carport (with acrylic) the advantages of being in a booth are heating, lighting, extraction, dust free environment which all equates to a superior finish.

[waynos]

thanks heaps grandmaster
i figure over satin black with that stuff will give me what i want
i only want it subtle not fancy pants............
do ya reckon straight over my satin black
or it needs to be a wet base
im thinkin put it in with clear straight over the top then clear that
maroonish would be nice
i can practice on my wheels
am gonna do wheel centres the same
again thanks heaps for the input

 regards waynos

[john253a]

just make sure your neighbors dont dob you in like mine did, i was only lucky i was using water based, and not solvent,

[NES304]

just make sure your neighbors dont dob you in like mine did, i was only lucky i was using water based, and not solvent,

Yeah some of em can be real pricks and picky as. Some don't care and wouldn't have a clue.
The bloke across the road has a new woman so I always have them to listen to  but I don't think she is busting the noise limit yet

[waynos]

f!@k the neighbors it s not suburbia ...........
might kill the vineyard next door but
oh well my olds dont like em anyway............

[waynos]

Yeah some of em can be real pricks and picky as. Some don't care and wouldn't have a clue.
The bloke across the road has a new woman so I always have them to listen to  but I don't think she is busting the noise limit yet
[/quote hahaha

[waynos]

just make sure your neighbors dont dob you in like mine did, i was only lucky i was using water based, and not solvent,

what happened ?
did the epa come around?
where do ya live?

[GMB-58FC]

thanks heaps grandmaster
i figure over satin black with that stuff will give me what i want
i only want it subtle not fancy pants............
do ya reckon straight over my satin black
or it needs to be a wet base
im thinkin put it in with clear straight over the top then clear that
maroonish would be nice
i can practice on my wheels
am gonna do wheel centres the same
again thanks heaps for the input

 regards waynos

Depends what your existing paint condition is on the roof and what finish your chasing Waynos.  You can face back your roof and spray over top with your mixer then clear that and see how it goes but I wouldn't spray directly over the existing clear.

Are you wanting flake or pearl?

[waynos]

roofs good
theres no existing clear
i think flake
just scour it or what 600 wet and dry or somethin?

[GMB-58FC]

roofs good
theres no existing clear
i think flake
just scour it or what 600 wet and dry or somethin?

Again it depends on the existing paint job and how well the clear has held up.  All you want to do it face back the clear/shine so id start with 2000 wet & dry (wet obviously) and go from there.

Just make sure you use a good wax/grease remover prior to spraying