In NSW - Can I put a 3.08 in an FC Station Wagon?

[Macandme]

In NSW - Can I put a 3.08 in an FC Station Wagon?

[FCRB26]

Yes you can fit up to i think its 317 cu inches there abouts anyway.


With all the requirements to pass engineering.
Brakes
Chassis kit
2 speed wipers
heater / demister
seat belts
ect


Pete

[Harv]

G'day Macandme,

The link below may help:

http://www.fbekholden.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15058

Cheers,
Harv.

[FC427]

 I know they are only guide lines  but haven't they changed this for vehicles under 1100 KG in NSW 

[Harv]

Not as far as I know (but then again, I'm travelling that much for work that I could have missed it  ).

Under the existing guidelines (and for naturally aspirated):
Up to 1100kg and originally a 4-cylinder/rotary: original vehicle mass x 3 = max vehicle capacity in cc.
More than 1100kg, or more than 4 cylinders, and monocoque: original vehicle mass (kg) x 4.82 = max vehicle capacity in cc.
More than 1100kg, or more than 4 cylinders, and chassis: original vehicle mass (kg) x 5.46 = max vehicle capacity in cc.

The NSW government has been talking of introducing the National Code of Practice, but has not yet. Under the NCOP (and for naturally aspirated):
Up to 800kg: original vehicle mass (kg) x 3 = max vehicle capacity in cc.
800-1100kg: original vehicle mass (kg) x 4 = max vehicle capacity in cc.
More than 1100kg: original vehicle mass (kg) x 5 = max vehicle capacity in cc.

Is this where the 1100kg came from?

Cheers,
Harv.

[Revhead_Fc]

I'd be checking with an RMS approved engineer before going ahead with any modification cos as far as I was aware June 19 was the deadline for the new laws.  A mate if mine rang up an engineer a couple of weeks ago and he wanted to put a 350 Chev in a he which under both laws old and new would be fine but was told he would have to go through extensive brake tests which would make the whole process both expensive and long. 
Ben

[Harv]

G'day Ben,

I have to admit I'm not an RMS approved engineer, just an interested user of the laws (... with an 327 Chev EK wagon yet to certify  ), so I could be wrong.

Could a 350 Chev be legally jammed into an early Holden last year? Yes, because the engineering guidance is just that... guidance, not mandatory. Some engineers would (and will) approve 350's in early Holdens, others will not even when the guidelines show it is marginal (for my EK wagon, a 350 is 0.6% too big for the NSW guidance... and hence many engineers say no, whilst some say close enough). The engineering guidelines and standards behind both the old Engineering Certification Scheme (ECS) and new VSCSS have not changed i.e. VIS sheets still hold (as guidelines), not NCOP. That same 350 can still be jammed in, as long as the engineer is happy.

June 19 was the cutout date where  (ECS) certificates could be submitted. If you had been building a vehicle, and had it inspected and certified, you could present the old certificate to the RTA (now RMS) and they would accept it. After June 19, you now need a VSCSS certificate instead of the ECS one.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/authorisedinspectors/vsccs/vsccs_vehicle_owners.html

Regardless of certifying authority, the standards are the same. The brake test, to my knowledge, is discretionary - some are doing it, others are not. This has been a topic hot enough for the Minister to comment:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents/downloads/minister_releases/120302_mr_new_vsccs_booklet_available.pdf

I agree with you - best way forward for anyone modifying a vehicle in NSW is to talk to the engineer first. Each engineer interprets the guidance differently - shop around and find an engineer whose appetite for risk (for example brake tests) matches yours (or mine  ).

Cheers,
Harv.

[waynos]

my engineer said 304 but could maybe go 308.........depends on weight
you could put some bags of concrete in the boot haha
also cant you stroke a 289 to 350?
get it regoed with the 289  chev then get it home and put in the 350 crank
dont know how true this is though???

[waynos]

haha i packed a toolbox and sat in the car when it was weighed..............1140kg

[ratbox]

the weight gors off a recorded weight that the RTA/RMS has on record NOT the weight of the car you have, so you could fill it with lead and it won't make a scrap of differance to what you can and can't do
and it says 3.08 maybe he just wants to change the diff centre

[waynos]

ok i thought i was getting it weighed for  engineering for that reason.
thanks for clearing that up..................
sorry.