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Two questions,

1. The 161 red in the FE ute has the engine number 161 N 2922 S, can anyone tell me what this motor came from? (for interest's sake)

2. The car ran out of fuel the other week and I have not been able to get it running properly since. The car may start then seems to run out of petrol and is hard to start again, after some cranking the motor usually fires then dies soon after.
I suspect some junk came up the line from the bottom on the tank, but there is an inline fuel filter. Could there be junk in the filter causing this or is it most likely the carby?
Is there an easy way to clean out the carby? as a mechanic I am a good computer tech :)

Glenn.
Not sure what the motor is from, but it sounds like you may have a build up of crap BEHIND the fuel filter. It happened to me in the Green & Cream wagon. Would start, run & drive, but when I gave it a bit of the boot, it would lean out, then stall. Cleaned everything from carby, the points, new filter, then rebuilt fuel pump & then the carby >:( Still did it. It was only when I pulled the fuel pump off again, a little pebble fell out from the fuel line (That little flexy bit). It had gotten stuck behind the filter. Buggered if I know how it got there ???

Sounds similar to your problem.

Rob J

Hmmmm......can't seem to find any reference to 161 N prefix and the "S" at the end is unusual.Can find the following though:-
HR 161 High Compression:-  161 R...........
"      "   Low   "  "    "    "   :-  161 W..........


HK/HT/HG High Compression :-   161 H..........
 "   "    "   Low  Compression :-   161 L..........


LC Torana High Compression :-   2600 H.......
"      "        Low  Compression :-   2600 L.......
"     "    "161 S"                       :-   2600 S.......

My master parts catalogue goes from FX to HD so no reference to 161 there.Maybe someone has a master parts catalogue HR to HG or LC Torana???.
Replacement GMH block???
Ex Stolen/Recovered and/or restamped engine???
Export engine???

Sorry I'm no help but I'd also be interested to find what it was originally fitted in as well if there is someone out there who knows.

Terry.

is it not the GTR LC code.161 with two barrel stromberg.

Nicko, that would be perfect if it was because there is an LC GTR shell I have out the back with no motor or 'box. Unfortunately my Spotlight book doesn't really help with codes apart from 161S being an available option.

Thanks RobJ, I might start looking through the lines before I start with the carby.

Thanks Terry, I'll post the answer if I ever get it.

stinky, we had this problem on our ute. we simply undone the line at the filter, and undo it before the tank, and put a air gun on it, you will hear the crap come out

;D

gee's i wish you were not so far away as my youngest Daughter has been nagging me for ages to find her an LC GTR shell so she can learn how to do up a motor and all other aspects herself, found a 4 door but she siad no way two door or forget it,even lists an LJ as (only if its a good one dad.) i tried to tell her that an LJ was better in the front end rack but no i have to find an LC 2 door.so anyone reading this post who lives in Northern NSW or QLD and has an LC 2 door for sale give me a hoy.
anyway sorry for Hi Jacking the Post  Stinky. but im fairly certain its an LC 161 GTR

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This is all the crud that was in the line, disconnected the line at the tank and put the freshly cleaned 2 litre bottle on. Blew through with compressed air from the back of the filter. Lots o' chunks and it would appear to be water (2 layers in the bottle) in the line. Haven't road tested yet, but it ran for a few minutes without problem.

I guess I will taking the tank out soon for a cleanout  ::)

Nicko,I have a rolling 2 door lc in the shed. Will send you an email with my phone number.
Cheers Graham

Glenn
I consulted a workmate today re your engine number question.He is in the NSW LC/LJ Torana Club and eats,sleeps and SH#TS Toranas.He said its definately not a LC GTR block as these all had the 2600 S engine prefix and not a regular LC 161 block as these also had 2600 H and 2600 L as the prefix.He said it may be a GMH replacement GTR block but was only about 20% sure on this one.Said he would check tonight in his records to see if he can get some info.He has photocopies of original GMH Torana microfiches showing nearly all details of Torana production including what bodies had what engine numbers,original colours and even which dealership received what car and when.Very interesting reading there.
Hopefully I may have an answer for you soon.

Terry.

Glenn. Its definately not an LC Torana engine of any standard production run including GTR according to my Torana Guru workmate.May be a replacement block as these had unusual numbers.I had a grey block years ago (early 80's) that had a strange number and after spending quite a deal of time at the local Holden spare parts looking up the books I found that it was a New replacement block for FB/EK and true to form when I was young and stupid I gave it away for a carton of beer :'( :'( :'(
Stolen and recovered engines also were restamped in some states with a new number (legally) for reregistration so maybe its one of them.I've seen a grey with an engine number having "VP" on the end as it was stolen/recovered and restamped by Victoria Police in the past.I've seen a red motor on Ebay with a Holden Gemini engine number(didn't bid on that one).
Maybe an export engine that found its way back onto an Australian production run???.

Still a mystery.........

Terry.

Thanks for your efforts Terry, I might have to go to "another" board and see what other people might know.

Hi Guys.
Terry, you are spot on with the replacement engine theory (Bear with the spelling mistakes guys, it is new years & I am pissed). Any block that was replaaced in that era, was stamped different. The Grey motor cars that were used by the Coppers, haad their motors rebuilt & stamped by the Police. My FB 215 has a T#####P block number (In Vic, they had V####P blocks. This means the car, once the service period was over, had the motor rebuilt, then stamped thus.

Anyway, this doesn't help you at all, does it Stinky?

If you can, contact Dr. Terry. he knows all the number prefixes & what they stand for. I tried looking it up, but the "View members previous Post" button isn't there anymore.
Ace may also be able to help.

Anyway all, have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!.
Man, I am turped!

Rob J

I'll have a guess and say it's a Holden industrial engine :)
ACE  8)

Here's some info I got from the Fastlane forum, makes sense, but the search continues. Wouldn't that be cool a "Nasco" block, that would fetcha a pretty penny on ebay  :P

I have just discovered the engine in my vanette is V653891P. Rob J, can you explain again what this means please?

Thanks

Robin

cajerridoc,
               that engine number is very very close to the one that was in our fb, the engine number was v653811p

im not 100% sure, but when we owned the car we noticed the strange engine number and asked around a bit, and was told exactly what rob said :

the car was used in the force, then when retired, was rebuilt and sold off, makes sense when you think about it :-[

quite interesting when you think about it.

I understand Police numbers are allocated to motors that require engine number restamping, whatever the reason.

Therefore engine number V653891P is:

V for Victoria
65 for 1965
3891 being the sequential number in that year
P for Police.

Happy to be corrected if anyone knows better.

Hi Guys.
What Eddie says is spot on! I had forgotten I posted that reply........New Years Eve & all! ::)

It doesn't always mean it was a Police vehicle, it can also mean it was re-stamped after being stolen & having the block numbers removed or other similar scenarios.

Obviously, Tassie had T######P, Vic had V######P, but I am yet to see what the other states & territoriesd had. I have a VIC block & a TAS block.

Rob J

  Hi guys
 Rob   N.S.W did this also for the same reasons as you state. I worked in used car yards around Sydney for 30 odd years ( yes I'm that old ) and over that time I saw quite a few of these and some very strange and not so legal ones as well. I can remember buying a f#^$L@n  one day that just didn't look right so contacted the boys in blue and they did an acid test and sure enough Stolen so we stopped payment on the cheque and got them to come back in for a new cheque and had the boys waiting in the back room, "GOTCHA" , when we checked the car they were driving it had 3 sets of number plates on top of each other so it was obviously something the did for a living, I felt real good that day.
                         Cheers   Roy

  Hi again
     Just noticed a grey engine on e/bay for sale with a N.S.W. # n#####p just what we were talking about, don't know how to post link but it's item #4602249610
            Cheers   Roy

Here you go Roy - knock yourself out!!! :D

Link to eBay item is here http://tinyurl.com/b5q2n

And here is the eBay description and a picture:

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Rob J
       Do you know if this motor is any good as you seem to be the Guru on all things old and Grey.

Cheers
Sarge

P.S what does the N stand for.

P.S.S and what does the 58 - 1881- mean

Check the first page of this thread, Sarge. Fast Eddie has summed it up pretty much spot on.

Rob J

More reading. lol

Cheers
Sarge

The stolen and recovered and restamped theories may only account for a tiny amount of these blocks, the main reason for police stamping is because the police were in charge of registration records until about 1980? I think and during that time if you bought a new block from GMH (as hundreds of people did per year) you then took it to your local cop shop and they stamped it with the next number and recorded it. I have seen WP NP and VP blocks as well as VP chassis numbers as well, where new subframes were fitted to cars after accident damage.

Ken

Correct Ken, That is what I had to do when I fitted the V8 to mine originally,,my #is V390P.

ALAN

That was definitely the case. I was reading up on another club's newsletter (can't remember which club) about a year ago where a member's 1959 FC had been re-registered as a 1961 car. Turns out the FC had to be rebodied after a bad accident in 1961 so the FC was rebodied and the Police stamped 'P' to the chassis after Police inspection. It seems that if Police at the time had to inspect and certify a rebodied car, they would also re-register it.

Cheers ...... Pete