FE-FC Holden Discussion Forum

Oh my dear.
I may have to eat my words. I have just purchased another car, built by "Holden" & believe it or not, it has a "Canadian" block!! Crikey :o :o :o
It is true!
I did a bit of fiddling & noticed it actually displaces a little more than they standard Grey motor, although this is a Grey coloured motor as well.
Stay tuned to this News breaking news! I will post a shot of the car in the very near future.
Goes like the clappers too!

Rob J ;)

, Look at it this way Rob, at least you are paying that reward to yourself ;) Come on then, what is this car "built by Holden", don't leave us hanging.  Engine number prefix or something would at least keep us going until you get photos, does it have the ribbed block?

More more more, info

Hi Mike.
Oh no, I can't rush these things. Look what happened last time! I put my foot in it. I will get a photo of the car & block in the next day or so.

Rob J

p.s. Believe it or not, Mike. I finally got my sh** together & posted that bridge cap off to you. Should be there very soon.

hey guys i actually saw one the other day in an ek wagon

some info i was able to find out was that you can bore them out another 40 thou

also on the side of the block its slightly different, i got a few pics but that good

i can find out some info on the motor eg enigne number if anyone wants

cheers
torque

following this post are some pics

sorry if they arent very detailed but i didnt think to get any good pics

cheers
torque

Hi Torque.
Sorry, Mate. It was a piss-take. there is no such engine. It does not exist. Here is the only "Holden" ever BUILT with a "Canadian" block.
The motors for these & all others for export were built in Canada. I was just having some fun.
Have a look at some earlier posts regarding the "Canadian" & you will see where I am coming from.
The motor you have taken the picture of is an early FX motor. That is why it has the GMH cast & the different ribbing.

I have just bought a 1937 Chevrolet Master Deluxe "Sloper". These were an Australian only body (NOT ever available in the USA) & are extremely rare today. This one pictured is of another car (Not mine), but until I get some shots, it will have to do.
This one is a "Standard" model with only 834 produced.
Mine, the "Master Deluxe" had only 207 produced. Mine has more chrome than the one pictured. Apart from that, they are identical. Same colour, same condition. Mine also has whitewalls ;D ;D

Regards,
Rob J

p.s. how did you post those giant photosa & throw all of the page settings out. I have to scroll along for a quarter mile to read each sentence!! :(

then what motor is this?????

the guy is dead set that its a canadian block

also there was an add in just parts for an fj with a canadian block, i know that the odds are against me but i will just try to find out some info to assure that i am wrong (or hopefully right ::)
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cheers
torque

Torque.
Trust me, they DO NO EXIST. It was just a JOKE. We have all been here before & I can tell you, the very best Holden experts (Don Loffler & Norm Darwin) have both stated in their books that there was NO such motor. Just an "Urban Myth". I am sure that block reckons he has one. Get him to prove it to you. But be sure to tell him that ALL the FX blocks & some early FJ blocks were like that. I have 2 in my shed!

Regards,
Rob J :D

Rob you .............. :o  must have been a boring arvo for you hey?  Get out there and do some work on that cop car if this is all you have to do.  I will be sure to make sure your extra bridge cap has all the holes aligned perfectly for this little one :P

Will keep you posted on the bridge cap progress.

Thanks,
Mike

Bugger Me , Rob ...
    You mean I had a "CANADIAN BLOCK" ;D
when I was a kid ?  ??? .....    Dad had a '37 Chev Ute on our farm.
Looking at the front of the "Sloper" brought back memories.
Only problem was our ute was rusted out, as we used it
to cart hay/grain  to feed the sheep , carted dirt for the driveway etc.
The motor ended up in a Bedford truck , steering wheel
was on my "billycart" ,back axle for a trailer , rest to the scrap metal dealers.
Makes you want to  "turn back the clock"  huh .. :-/
   I also had a '39 Chev Standard , after moving to Sydney
but had to make a choice as I had 2 projects....  well the
Chev got sold and I've still got the FC ,  Think I made the
right choice ,  BUT  don't you let this one go...

  Norm  :)

Torque
         You may just be on to something here dont let Rob sway you here's been trying for years to prove that there is no such animal. This is only because he hasnt got one. If you have found one then good luck to you. Keep us all posted as I am sure that we would all like to solve this great so called Urban Myth.

Cheers
Sarge  :-*


P.S could you try resizing your pics before you post them mate as I only have a 19" screen.

well
i have already done some research and it has all been that there was no suh thing and that it was an 'urban myth' but what i odnt understand is that the fact of the different lettering on the block, and the fact that it can be bored out another 40 thou. makes me wonder if the fx- fj motor was whats causing all the fuss. i will have a talk to the other guy with the so called canadian block in the fj to see what he can tell me

thankz
torque

ps:sarge i normally shrink the pics, but i wanted to leave them big so all of the detail was visible

Oh dear, what have I done ??? :o :'(
Trust me Torque. It doesn't matter what "Research" you do (Like asking someone who thinks they have one), it has already been proven, without a doubt, but very qualified individuals, that they do not exsist. Did you actually READ my last couple of posts. The "GMH" casting on the side was there on all of the FX & some of the early FJ motors. Nothing mysterious about that. Why, if they were made in Canada, is there a standard GMH part number next to the "GMH" logo. Why would they cast motors in Canada, when they had the foundries here & were already making them? The confusion may well have come from the Chevs having "Canadian" blocks. But, the Chevs have a totally different motor. 216 cubes, probably 30% bigger block as well.
Also, the early motors CANNOT be bored out an extra 40 thou. Not true, can't do!

Hmm, I think I will have to enlist the help of my trusty partner in the "Mocking of the Canadian". ACCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, where are you??

Sarge,
mate, I DO have 2 of these blocks in my shed. One, is actually a lower build number than the one Torque has taken photos of. You wanna buy one? $5000 & you got yourself a Genuine, ex-Tasmanian, Canadian block. ;D ;)

Regards,
Rob J

hey mate i done more than that, i went down to the library and reaad an fx or fj book and it had some info on the so called 'canadian' block

also i believe it was mar001 who sent me some info on it too

i know that people have already worked this out, but i need to do further research just to clarify it, i mean i believe that there is no canadian block, but im pretty damn sure that that whatever motor it was (fx or fj) ,   it could be bored out more

will proceeed to do more research

cheers
torque

Hi Norm.
Sorry, Mate. Forgot to reply to your post.
Yes, sad to say, you most probably did have a Canadian in that car. But, it would be one hell of a tight fit in an FC! Beautiful motor, I must say. Drives so smooth, ticks over very nicely & has so much torque, in 3rd (Getting there is a Non-Synchro on any gear experience :o), we roll up to a corner, even uphill & at less than 10mph, give it a bit of pedal & it will pull away, easily. Never driven a car with so much low down Torque. I hope to have some photos of MY car today to post. It looks so much better than the Standard model. White walls, extra chrome trim, sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

We  plan on buying an old 1947 caravan when the old fella decides to sell. All aluminium, brilliant original condition, & will polish up a treat. I want to hook it up to the Chev & go on a mainland road trip. That has GOTTA be some fun.  Maybe I will be able to visit & park it in that expansive front yard you have.

Talk soon,
Rob J

Hey Rob,

Sounds like what  they call a stovebolt...

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The stovebolt six's name origin came from the engine's slotted quarter inch head bolts. It was started in 1929 with the Chevrolet 6, also called the Cast Iron Wonder.
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Here is the site if you are interested

http://www.stovebolt.com

Cheers
Jason.

Hi Torque.
Just reading through what I have posted & wanted to clarify one of my comments. Where I state "You can't bore out an early block an extra 40 Thou", I just need to make the following clear. Standard, yes, they will bore out that much, BUT, they will not bore out any EXTRA than the other blocks. Get my meaning?
Example:
If you had a 132 block, then bored it out to 138, you then wouldn't be able to take it any further than a standard 138 could be taken.
The best block to modify, as far as I know & I have talked to a LOT of early racers, is an early B block. That is for the FB series. This is where they beefed them up a little, as they went to the standard bore of 138 & may have been a little paranoid.

Hope this clears it up.
Rob J

Interesting.  Up here they swear by the EJ block, since after 15 years of manufacture GM-H finally had all the bugs ironed out...

All your other comments about the non-existence of a grey Canadian block I completely concur with, as you know ;D

cheers
RET

Hi RET.
Yes, that is what I believed when I first went to the "Grey Guru's", but was told different. None of them could really pinpoint why, but they were adamant that they always had better results from the B blocks. One guy here (another Robbie), went through 6 blocks, before finally finding a "B" block that took the re-aligning nessesary for the installation of his Vauxhall Steel crank. Every J block he used, busted through into the water jackets. He got one resleeved, built the motor, but within a month, it went porous & he had to start again.
The "B" block in his JWF Italia is still going strong after about 3 years of flogging. Just some headwork every so often & he is cool.

Rob J

arent we all?

Rob, there is a guy in Queestown, Dave (Can't remember surname, but he lives on Jakins Street - town end) who has one of these, at last I am pretty sure it is a 37 or might have been a 39.  It was in Queenstown for years before he found it and apparently it use to be either the Premier or Govenors car (I can't remember now).  

He planned on chopping it and fitting all his HSV running gear to it.  I am sure he will have all the parts he striped off still lying around as he was a magpie.  If I remember his name I will let you know, alternatively if you are passing through, give me a yell and I will draw you a map.  He is a good bloke and would be stoked that you dropped by.

Cheers,
Mike

Hi Mike.
Man, that would be great. These babies have a stack of accessories as well, so here we go again! BUT, most of the accessories were the same for the American Chevs, so it will be easier to fnd them.

Checked the numbers on the car today. Wait for it.
Holden body number: "6"
Model: "Chev Master"
Series: "Coupe"
Job No: "Deluxe"

Sweet & simple, Huh??

I finally got my frigging camera to work tonight. Man, you should have seen me freaking out! Swearing & ranting, because "I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT". ! Well, I was sure I did. Had the bloody plug in the wrong socket. Put it in the right one & my pictures now all download from the cameraa to the computer.
Easy :-/ :-[ :-[
Tomorrow, I will take some shots.

Jason,
thanks for that link. Man, some of those trucks are SWEEEEEEEET. I found a Chev 52 (I think) on Ebay Motors USA last night, which I would happily give my left nad for (Married, who needs it?). It was a concourse resto & fully accessorised, but not a xmas tree at all. Looked great.

Rob J

Hey Rob
       Get the "Van" , give it a quick polish & "come on up" , Heaps of room  ,   Neighbours father-in-law parks his 16  ft Van & Patrol in here ,  so we can fit  "The Sloper & Van "   in.    Look forward to it

 Norm  :)

Here it is fellas, the "Canadian" blocked Holden "Built" car.

Another

Look at those curves,
mmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ;D ;D

Last one.

Nice looking sloper, Rob.
I also stumbled across 'stovebolt.com' the other day in my search for info on my 1929 Chev truck (1 1/2 ton model) with 6 cylinder grey motor (215 sounds right?) and four speed gearbox.
Nothing like a bit of variety.  My wife actually said those magical words the other night,'You need a bigger shed.'
I don't think I'll let her forget that!

Torque, forget about the canadian block.  It is a trick that most of us have fallen for at some point.

Interestingly Rob, I always thought that the EJ blocks were more popular for rebuilds too, but one of the reasons could just be that they are the 'newest' of the greys, and therefore less fatigued?  Wonder what others think about this issue?  Probably should be a new post so that we don't keep this 'Canadian' drama at the top of the list!

Nice Car Rob, but this one's nicer  ;D

Hi Shayne.
Would love to see some shots of the truck.
Did you get those words regarding the "Bigger Shed" on tape? Make sure you do ;)
My Wife is great. VERY easy to convince. Said no when I told her about it, so the following day, took her to a shop close by the Chev & then wandered down & pointed it out to her. She loved it, the kids went ga-ga & ta-da, "Why don't you get it"? she said!
She knows a good car when she sees it.

The 6cyl is actually a 216ci. Or so the manual states.

Like I said, I had always believed the "J" block was the way to go, but Australias fastest Grey powered track car (A Buchannan 60s kit car) is powered by a "B" block & a Repco head. So is Robbies JWF Italia & these guys swear by them.
Like you, Shayne, I would love to hear more from others with experience in this.


Norm, man, we have a date! I will get the van, get polishing & will be there.

Stick the kettle on & bung some ice in the Eski.
Rob J ;D

Hi Stinky.
Yes, I gotta say, that looks VERY cool. Hmmmmmmmm, now how do I chop those springs?
Rob J ;D

Rob
    Thanks for the tip on the block. Like Ret I always thought it to be the J seriers was the one to work with.

Cheers
Sarge

P.S Very Nice Car you must be happy with that pic up.

Stinky, you're a vandal   ;)  :D

Very cool sloper, Rob.  Don't let Stinky or Harko near it!!   ;D

Hey Rob
    Was "Cyber-Cruising" in WA in Vintage Vans & saw your pics , so I took a 3,000k hike to here , (man what a trip  ;D ) What a Loverly Car , no wonder you couldn't pass it up  ..... Got the Kettle on , Ice is in the esky , & got the Mrs to " mow the dirt out the front  ;D "
  We can sit on the verandah & talk "old Holdens & Chev's".  :D :D :D :D
 I can Invite Harko too "as long as he leaves his grinder at home"  :o  
  I'll have to ask dad , I'm sure our Ute had Chrome on the sides of the bonnet , do you know if they built utes in "masters" ?    also Mark T's is a '39 exactly the same as the one I had.

Jason & Shayne
   Have you had a look at this site
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/history/holden.htm

Norm   :)

Rob whats going on with the pic of your wagon all as I am getting is that mongrel red cross in the white box.

Cheers
Sarge


P.S torque can you modify your pics so that we dont spend so much time scrolling from one side of the screen to the other and back again.

Hi Norm,

I have been through that site like I go through this one... My 46 1 1/2 ton is also an Aussie body by Holden. And I finally found a picture of the RAAF painted on a door so I can do mine the same.

Cheers
Jason.

Hi Guys.
Norm, Invite Harko, but make sure he is cuffed & I don't have too many brews. Maybe if I got sloshed & Stinky shows me the picture he did of the Chev again, I might give Harko to go ahead to do something I might regret :o :o 8)
Not sure about utes in "Masters", but I don't think it wouldn't be too hard to swap the bonnets over. I will do a bit of digging & see what I can find out. There is a fella called "Sloper40" (Not is real name for those who are wondering ;)) who knows a heap about these cars. He has given me some great info & is aalways happy to help. I will give him a call.

Sarge,
I mucked about with Phtobucket the other night & discovered what they meant by;
"If you move these items, all links will be severed".
I thought it sounded a bit ominus, maybe I should have listened! Let me know where the photo is & I can re-link it.

Jason, I would love to see a shot of the truck. I like the RAAF & ARMY cars & trucks. With you & Shayne having Chevs as well, we may need a little section of our own! I have an FB ute that is a factory modded ARMY special. Has a few extra bits & pieces & some body mods. Oneday, I will try & restore it. Bit of a wreck at the moment, but very rare nonetheless.

Martin,
Thanks man. Pretty stoked I must say.
Stinky is OK though, he only mods on the computer. Harko is the one you gotta watch!

Rob J

Maybe you could shoot that dancing chicken while you're at it...  ::)

RET,
As my good friend "Yosemite Sam" used to say..."Oooooooooooooow, Dag-Namit.................I hate that Chicken!!!" (Maybe it was "Rabbit", but you get my drift!)

Rob J ::) ;)

Well now that you have mentioned it. That sounds good to me.

Cheers
Sarge

Here is a couple of shots of the truck, when it was sold to the local fire servive they painted it red.
going to put it back to Special Grey and add the RAAF lettering on the side.

possibly a gen 4 on the inside much later...

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/Fevanv6/01-03-05_1007.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/Fevanv6/Picture016.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/Fevanv6/Picture011.jpg)

what it will look like... Nearly this one has an american body

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/Fevanv6/308505540vxGCbB_ph.jpg)

Cheers
Jason.

p.s Sorry Sarge for puttin on non Fe/Fc related topics...  :P ;D

Here is a pic of my 1929 Truck.  As far as I can work out, it is a LQ 1 and a half ton model.  First year for the six cylinder engine (194 cubic inches) and four speed gear box.
I've only had it about 5 weeks, and this photo was taken by previous owner in the nineties.  I have taken the cab off to 'square up' the windscreen.  Should have it back together in a fortnight or so ready for a drive.
Plan to use it in next Anzac Day parade to carry a few old diggers around, and will use it to tow a portable steam engine on the odd occasion.
I got the truck from Inverell off a bloke who wanted to see it go to a good home.  His brother works with me.
I trailered the truck home behind my 2 week old SS Crewman Ute with the full wanker pack.  Gotta laugh when you're driving a brand new $50K plus car and everyone wants to know about the 75 year old truck on the back :D
Jason-  my Grandfather sold a truck like yours (possibly a bit bigger, maybe 3 ton) last year for $300.  The buyer drove it home!  I wasn't a happy camper!  We used to use it for carting hay around on the farm.

Hey Shayne,

Have a look here... I'm sure you will be impressed.

http://www.stovebolt.com/gallery/binder_stephen_1929.htm

Cheers
Jason.

Shayne.
VERY cool! Looking forward to the "Finished" shots.
Finally got my Sloper home today. Bugger of a job cleaning my garage out so it would fit. DAMN tight squeeze, I tell you. I was sweating buckets putting it in there for the first time. My wife freaked out, she was sure I was going to clip a fender. Noot what you would call a "Calming experience". But, I have it sussed now, just gotta swing in from the top side, so the slight slope doesn't tilt the car to much & POP, we fit!

Rob J

Rob,
Looks like a pretty damn good car!

Jason,
So when acn we expect a visit from you & Sonja in the truck?  ;D

Cheers,

Graham

Not too soon, have to get it to Cairns first, and then repair it and then decide whether of not to re engine it so it could make the trip... Start with getting it on the road first.

Cheers
Jason