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Not to sure where to post this item, but i need a picture of an FE / FC painted in Wedgewood Blue or can anyone let me know of a very similar colour,
A mate of mine insists his uncles one owner ute is wedgewood, but I cant find the colour on the  website ( FE FC Colours section).
I am waiting for him to send through numbers to help verify this? Was Wedgewood Blue an FC colour? If it is would the interior be similar to Hilda's colouring?
Any help would be appreciated.
Matt

I believe Wedgewood is an FB/EK colour?

Maybe Ken can shed some light on this?

Cheers,

Graham

Thanks Graham, that is some of the confusion I was trying to clear up,
I havnt seen the ute yet, and am waiting on numbers to come in to verify the truth, but I thought it was a later model colour as well, he claims it is late 59 (again numbers will tell) and is definately Wedgewood, So i was chasing a picture I could send to him to verify the colour?
does that make any sense??
Matt

It is possible, but extremely unlikely that this car is Wedgewood Blue.  The body plate will tell you for certain.  There were a very small number of cars made in late '59 with FB bits and pieces on them - Brett's (HAD708) sedan is like this, and has a trim number of "SPEC" to identify the fact that it has a non-standard interior.  These cars are, as you can imagine, very very rare.

The reason I doubt very much that this car could be Wedgewood Blue is because that colour was not available in Duco, but was one of the "Magic Mirror" finishes, otherwise known as Dulon or acrylic paint.  This was introduced in mid-1960, so even if this ute was one of the very last FCs, it still seems ridiculously early for a paint 'mule'.

It's far more likely the ute was Skyline or Cambridge Blue.  As you say, the numbers will confirm.

Skyline Blue: 286-2051
Cambridge Blue: 286-2033
Wedgewood Blue: 586-0115

cheers
RET

Hi.
RET has pretty much nailed it. If anything, the early FB's still had FC colours.
My FB 215 is painted in DUCO "Hi-Gloss Black", an FC colour.
The Magic Mirror black is called "Carlsbad Black".
The compliance plate confirms this. My FB is number 108 off the 215 production line.

I am looking forwrd to see the ID plate details.
Rob J

hi,
  my fb 215 is wedgewood blue same number's as RET

said.if you want to see the colour and compare just look

in  real car's first page(FB215 UPDATE PIC'S),hope it

help's but i can't see it being this colour unless it's fb-

ek.but ya never with the HOLDEN boy's back then.COL58FE/COL60FB ;)

Thanks guys, that is why I wanted to ask the professionals, will eagerly await the plate details to confirm! and settle the argument once and for all
Matt

Actually ret, Brett's car is painted in FB colors, but the paint is duco not lacquer.  His paint details on the ID plate are as follows
PAINT 253-2327 (Corana Grey)
INSERT 253-9640 (Arctic Beige)
TOP 253-2327 (Corana Grey)

So it is possible for a paint prototype FC in Wedgewood Blue, but with 253 prefix, not 286 or 586 prefix.

Look forward to seeing the ID plate

Ken

Whoa!!

Man, you learn something everyday!
Now I am REALLY keen on seeing that plate!

Ken, why would they paint an FC (Bretts) in FB colours, then release an FB (Mine) in an FC colour? ???

Rob J

The only reason I can think of for having the FB in Hi gloss black rather than Carsbad black is that GMH did not have the Carsbad formula right, or they thought they had it right, then after painting a few early FB's there were problems and they had to revert back to the FC colour.

Makes for interesting musing why things happened, the annoying thing is that we will probably never know.



Ken

I respectfully disagree with you there, Ken.  I know Brett's car is FB colours, but the fact it is Duco is unsurprising.  It's a prima facie "special build" though, no doubt about that.

As far as Rob's car is concerned, it's paint code 4, Black (Hi-Gloss), which is the same code that was used from the first black 48-215s right through.  It even has the same BALM number (253-6258, with a 1 in front in the early days) from 1948 forwards.  Hi-Gloss Black is not per se (how good am I going with the latin in this post? ::)) an FE/FC Colour, I guess is what I'm saying.

Dulon paint appeared in the second half of 1960, so all FBs until that point were painted in Duco, and as he says, his is the 108th FB-215, so pretty early.  There were even a group of new Duco colours for the FB (Arctic Beige, Biscay Green, Mandan Red, Sandstone Beige, Desert Glow, Belmont Green, Alpine Blue, Royal Glow, Lucerne Blue, Fernando Yellow,  Corona Grey, Buckskin and Raphael Ivory), all of which were superseded by Dulon.  Unsurprisingly, the colours of Brett's car are amongst them.

I certainly don't think it was a case of reverting back to Duco.

cheers
RET

Again, Whoa!
Thanks for that RET. I will be putting that info into my little "Interesting snippets" folder.

As for the use of Latin, superb! Believe it or not, my God Mother is a Roman Catholic Nun (Not that I ever see her  :-/), one of her favourite sayings was "Pulvis Tauri Cerebra Confudit"!
I will leave that with you, RET, so you can translate & see why she was sometimes referred to as the "Wild Nun"! :o

Sorry for going of on Tangent, lets get back to the Blue!

Rob J ;D

The owner of the ute has promised to get me details of the ID plate this weekend to hopefully finally solve this mystery, but it does go to show what I have always said, there is always someone out there with the answers to your questions, or the ability to create twenty more questions.
Matt

Literally "The dust of the bull may confound the brain" or broadly equivalent.  Something along the lines of "Baffle them with Bullsh!t" ;D

Latin was never my strong suit.  I think I - like Brian - would have been made to write "Romans Go Home" 100 times around the palace walls...

Good one, Rob.

Hi RET, my Skyline Blue FC Ute's paint code is 256-2051

You say 286 I checked again and it is 256.  Is my 256 right?  I'm asking because I'm ordering some touchup paint now.

Kevin
REDMR2RED

256 is (also) correct.  The first number describes the paint type (and manufacturer, I believe) and the second number is the BALM paint number.  More details can be found here ($2).  My paint book must be from a different manufacturer.

cheers
RET

Hi Guys.
Kevin, you will also note that your ute (Or is it my old ute? ;)) has a strange build number. It has 2 numbers stamped over the top of one another. It looks as though whoever stamped it, did it wrong, then "Fixed" it.
It is definately "Skyline Blue", with a "Pheasant Blue" interior.

Rob J

G'day Rob, yep your old Ute, my new Ute   ;)

I'll be in Tassy for Targa, I'll send you a PM

Kev

I didn't realise FB started in Duco and then changed to Acrylic
In fact I know very little about FB's.  This answers the whole thing then

As for Latin, I know even less

Now Scotish is another matter -  Hoots Mun  ;D

Speaking of Scottish, have you seen the April issue of Pist'n Broke yet?  Following a certain foot-stomping rendition of "500 Miles" to the tune of "Jeremiah Was A Bullfrog" that anyone who saw will be unlikely to forget, apparently the main protagonist has been bestowed with a new nickname: "Haggis McTailshaft" ;D ;D ;D

Which brings to mind some more Latin: "VENI VIDI VINO" (I came, I saw, I got drunk).

cheers
RET

Matt
Have you got onto your mate yet about the ID plate, as this is interesting and would like to see what come of it.



Cheers
Sarge

P.S Or is this the colour that you plan on painting the Camary. ;D

Hehe not quite a toyota colour Sarge! and why would you waste good paint on that car!hehe
I have been chasing this guy all week, and like most way way out west country folk, he appears to have a different concept of time! anyway, I have decided that as soon as I get hold of him I am gonna pin him down and get the address to go for a drive and get the numbers (and pictures) for myself,
I need an excuse to drive that far! and will take camera along, might even drive the Camry! LOL
will let you know Sarge when I get details if you feel like making the trip!
Matt

Sounds Good to me Matt old son. But if I come alone I think we might take the FJ or the EK or my FE anything but the CAMRY hehe ;D

Cheers
Sarge

Finally I have the details off the ute! and it is in fact Skyline Blue!!! a bit of a disapointment! but the car itself isnt, I have finally got the numbers off the ute!

Body        FC/2106-7907 M
Trim         194-649
Paint        256-2051
Chassis    FC58237M
Engine     L621581 (original as per paperwork)

Speedo    34058 miles  (first trip round)

The tech section says this was roughly an October 59 build, which is backed up by the paperwork I have got saying that it was purchased December 1959

Cheers
Matt

Soooo it appears that it is the same colour combination as 4 hammers (old)  / REDMR2RED's (new) ute
Which prompts me to beg for some pictures from either of these two gentlemen of pictures of their ute, especially interior  shots
Thanks a million guys!
Matt

If you want to see my Skyline Blue Ute click on the URL at the bottom of this message.  I'll take some interior pics and post them there tomorrow.

REDMR2RED

TORQUE
I think you will discover that car has been repainted non std colours, but thanks any way!

REDMR2RED,
Great shots and a fantastic looking ute! greatly appreciated

Matt

Hi Matt,
The light blue on my sedan is Skyline blue.
Cheers,
Graham

Are you sure?  2T Blue FEs are typically Teal Blue / Elk Blue.  Skyline Blue is an FC colour AFAIK.  Your car is a late '58 model, so it could be I suppose.

For what it's worth, the difference between Elk Blue and Skyline Blue is probably not visible to the untrained eye.  Elk has a trace of Bone Black tint, Skyline one part-per-hundred Red Oxide instead.  Otherwise they're identical: 99/98 pph White, 1pph Brilliant Blue with a trace of Ferrite Yellow.

cheers
RET

Hi Guys.
Talking about tinting colours etc. Did you know, that when making the fluffy white icing for "Boston Buns", if you put a bit (& I mean BIT) of Blue food colour in, it makes it look heaps more white! :o :o :o
The same applies for white paint.

Just thought you would like to know.  :-/

Rob J ;)

Yep - blue tinge in white to make it whiter is an optical illusion.  We old buggers will remember our mums putting  stuff called "Bluo" in the wash to make the whites look whiter - and if they stuffed up and left the bluo block in too long, everything came out - you guessed it - blue!

gidday all

funny tou should mention that rob because as a paint maker by trade [not a lot different from baking at least method wise ;D] that is exactly what we do to make the paint appear more "white".


denis