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Title: 179 motor Post by: ACE on September 19, 2004, 08:42:37 AM A friend of mine is looking for a complete 179 holden motor preferably in good running order and in N.S.W.
Send me a p.m if you've got one and i will let him know. Regards ACE 8) Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: peterwmh on September 22, 2004, 03:38:35 AM Would he go for a complete 186 out of a HR, nearly the same motor after all!! $100 will get it, it isn't a 186S motor, just the simple 186P block! I'm located near Albury/Wodonga on the border.
Cheers Peter Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: ACE on September 22, 2004, 08:04:39 AM Thanks for the offer Peter, but he is looking for a 179 motor out of a EH or HD holden to convert his car back to original. ;)
Regards ACE 8) Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: peterwmh on September 22, 2004, 09:35:27 AM I see. Does he know that 179 EH blocks and 179 HD blocks are quite different, the EH block is a HP block, the HD was marked 179 on the block.
Regards Peter Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: ACE on September 24, 2004, 05:35:29 AM Peter,
Can you tell me what makes the EH block and the HD block "quite different". :) As far as i know they are the same. ;) Regards ACE 8) Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: FCwagon on September 24, 2004, 08:04:31 PM I thought the block marking was the other way round with the HD having the HP block and also in the S4 EH's
Leigh Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: peterwmh on September 24, 2004, 10:33:05 PM OK as I understand it, the EH has a HP block for the 179, just to difference it from the 149 block, the engine number commences with M also. In the HD they decided to cast 179 on the block and the engine numbers commence with 179F for the standard block, 179X for the X2 blocks. They all run steel cranks as I understand it too and the blocks on HPs are no different to any others in strength etc. I'm not sure if 179X blocks are strengthened at all however??
Hope that helps. Peter Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: peterwmh on September 24, 2004, 10:35:34 PM I should add that when I said 'quite different' I meant to look at with the casting of HP or 179 on the block and their respective engine numbers (just for originality), they are perfectly interchangable as the blocks are no different.
Peter Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: Brad on September 25, 2004, 03:14:13 PM I always thought that the HP block was a (canadian) block. It was called this because it had more (meat) in the casting to better suit a colder climate and could be bored out more than a standard block. Thats why revheads preferd them as a base for hoting them up as they could be bored out to a 192 without fear of putting the piston through the side of the cylinder. Or maybe this was just an urban myth from my youth. ???
BRAD. Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: Idle_Mixture on September 26, 2004, 07:59:52 AM i tink it's an urban myth. :P.it's been covered in previous threads i know but i myself tend to be highly sceptical that the so called canadian blocks even existed..different castings and different webbing and stuff dont mean canadian and after all..what canadian vehicle came with such a critter and what factory produced it and also why has documentation never been presented to support these mythical pieces of cast iron..i had a supposed canadian block and after much scrutiny we could find little evidence to support any superiority claims or such..my 2 bits wurth ;)
Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: oldgmh on September 26, 2004, 08:40:28 AM The EH 179 blocks had HP cast on the side whereas the EH 149 blocks had nothing cast into the side.
I have never ever heard of the canadian stuff .. and I go back a ways... sounds like someone is pulling their willy ! Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: nicko on September 26, 2004, 09:40:27 AM the Canadian block we talked about ,is a grey motor not a red.
Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: Idle_Mixture on September 28, 2004, 03:00:18 AM i was actually refering to the greys..the one i had had the big GMH cast in a large circle (6 inch in diameter) cast on the left side, it had different bearing caps on the mains but in fact they actually looked weaker and of less quality than a normal cap, other than that we could find nothing special and the metal around the cylinders measured no thicker than a normal block so i stuck with what i had and sold the other (canadian block) off to someone who really did think there was something extra to be gained by using it..that block came from an early FJ sedan and the numbers said it was produced at the woodville plant.. sorry bout the thread hijack ;D
Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: ACE on September 28, 2004, 05:34:06 AM Still looking for a "Canadian HP 179" :)
ACE 8) Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: 4hammers on September 28, 2004, 07:51:37 AM ;D ;D ;)
At least it will be cheap to post when you find one! They weigh nothing :P RJ Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: oldgmh on September 28, 2004, 08:20:30 AM Not many people know that the EH holdens that had the Canadian 179 (HP) blocks also had disc brakes mounted on the kingpin front end - very hard to find these days. They were a special build and also had an all synchro three speed opel gearbox.
Earlee. Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: peterwmh on September 28, 2004, 10:54:51 PM Geez the 'stories' are getting colourful now, next thing that EH would have had factory air and self levelling suspension also!! ;D
Peter Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: Dave_EH on September 29, 2004, 10:19:40 AM Hey Ace,
Is your friend in a hurry for the motor? I Have two 179's. (Both with HP stamped on them and "M" engine numbers.) One is a repco rebuilt motor that has 16 000 miles on it and is totally stocko the other is fully reco motor yet to be started. It has been acid dipped, honed, new rings, bearings, fuel pump, water pumps, painted, new sump, fully reco yella terra stage 3 head, strait cut gears, twin point dizzy, 30/70 cam, reco X2 header etc etc i'll be parting with one of them - but it will be a few months time - havent even thought about prices The stocko motor will probably go if everything goes alright, although i might retain the repco block and swap some internals - both are HP blocks nonetheless just a thought Dave Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: ACE on November 06, 2004, 11:02:42 AM GOT ONE ;)
Thanks :) ACE 8) Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: slim on November 06, 2004, 11:08:18 AM Was it a CANADIAN BLOCK .... :o :o. ;D I believe it has a YANK with the middle finger of his left hand cast into the Block.
Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: GRENFELL.SPARES on November 10, 2004, 09:50:49 PM Hi Ace
i have a hp motor for sale has a mild cam and was a sweet running motor when removed needs a rear main seal as they all leak to some degree engine number starts m hope this is some help for you regards dave Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: spam on February 19, 2005, 03:26:32 AM The GREY Canadian block is not a falicy. It did have structural integrity that surpassed the block that was built here, but this only came into play if you were looking to bore it. It also had "fins" or ridges going the full length of the block.
Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: Shayne on February 19, 2005, 04:11:18 AM I think the word 'Canadian' followed by 'Block' should be banned from this forum unless someone can produce photos, and or documentary evidence that they were ever made (not just 'my mate had an FJ and it went faster than my other mates EK'). Why the hell would GM have built pissy 6 cylinder engines in Canada for export to Australia, when they didn't use them in cars in Canada or anywhere else? ???
This should be in the Dummy Spit Section, but really, can we all just have a look at previous postings about the subject before we even mention it again! Title: Re: 179 motor Post by: RET on February 19, 2005, 06:25:00 AM Ditto what Shayne said. I have done a bit of research on this, and asked a few people in a position to know (or at least have an informed opinion, and the answer comes back the same: the canadian block is a fallacy.
However, I googled "canadian block" just to see what would turn up. And I found this: http://www.uwo.ca/english/canadianpoetry/longpoems/abrams/introduction.htm The salient part of the very long (and frankly, turgid) page is this: Quote The implication of Cary’s opening lines is that peace and freedom, together with the accoutrements of classical civilization and the invigorating qualities of Canadian nature, are to be found on the Plains of Abraham, and are to be enjoyed under circumstances of utter and complete tranquility: Oft, on the green sod lolling as I lay, Heedless, the grazing herds around me stray: Close by my side shy songsters fearless hop, And shyer squirrels the young verdure crop: All take me for some native of the wood, Or else some senseless block thrown from the flood. (ll. 11-16) Here Cary seems at pains to demonstrate the harmonious life that exists on the plains. His tranquill landscape contains no hint of conflict or antipathy; indeed the poet/speaker — that is, European man — is in a state of concord with the creatures of Britain's Canadian colony: he is accepted alike by the domesticated "grazing herds" and by the "shy" and "shyer" animals of the forest who perceive him, he speculates, either as an animate "native of the wood" or as an inanimate "block" cast ashore from the St. Lawrence. It is more than possible that Cary's use of the word "block" brings with it to this context a double valency and two meanings, one derived from its traditional (Shakespearian, Popian) usage as an image of inertia and senselessness, the other deriving from the implication that his Canadian "block" is a piece of flotsam from Quebec's burgeoning timber industry, described by Cary in some detail later in the poem. If this possibility is granted, then it would appear that Cary's doubly suggestive "block" serves to reconcile old-world concepts with new-world realities and, beyond that, to show, like the entire context in which it appears, that on the Plains of Abraham there is to be found in 1789 a peaceful and harmonious relationship between man (even man with commercial connections) and nature (even wild nature). And all that makes about as much sense as anything else you're likely to hear on the reality of Canadian Blocks. cheers RET |