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Im expecting this topic to start off a little contriversial based on the fact that I will be reshaping this rarer style of Van , So all comments are welcome.

This picture is as done in the last 3 plans, It is what I am working towards as a goal.
I have Ute doors to give the curve at the rear of the window frame
A second turret will allow me to have only one weld down the centre once its been spread.
and to keep the cuved side glass I may recess it into the roof when the height has been removed (1.5inches) ;)

A pic of the body at absolute starting point.
In my eyes I have just saved this car as the wrecking yard are just starting to send some of thier stock to the crushers.

Harko
you need to put a pic of the original in so ppl can see the difference.

Harko,

If you're going to save it, you may as well modify it to how you like it.

Cheers

Ed

No controversy as far as I'm concerned - it's your van, you do what you want with it!  But until the second picture looks a little like the first one, I'm inclined to think this thread belongs in the 'Unreal Cars' area.  What do you think, Harko?

cheers
RET

Harko,

The restored bit has already been done. Party on dude!!!!

Cheers,

Craig.

Harko,

Here's another one.

Cheers,

Craig

Come on Harko, get to work!!

Your riight ret this is probably closer to the mark straight up.

Harko, are you a whiz with doing the photoshop cars or what?  No more imagining what it will look like, you know straight out.  Sweet

miikael

Harko I love the last van the flames are just the touch need to finish the job.

I feel inspired lol ;)

I do hope you're going to keep those roof racks when you do finish it.  What a style statement they make!

cheers
RET

Hi all,
       A mate of mine cut the "A pillers out of one of my sedans i was wrecking to make his custom two door wagon.
Craig are they my FranCines wheels ;).
cheers BRAD

I appreciate your thoughts all,I had this planned out both in my head and on the computer before I bought the wagon (1st one) in fact that was the reason for buying it but I didnt tell the wife that.
Now I have persisted and turned up a great starting point and I will achieve this in due time.
I have so far got the wheels Dragway dragalites (I think francine had ROH from memory)
V6 ,Transmission adaptor kit and rails.
All excelent stainless trims and B-Bars (Thinking about using FE special trim)
HR front ,commodore calipers.
Replacement floor sections.
And more - Everything but the time and space at the moment ,But I will keep updating once I hit it ,
"Shouldnt take that long when I get into it."

Hey Harko.
That is a noble endevour you have there. I had thought to do the same thing a few years ago. I got as far as buying the FC van for the project, but time, money and garage space got the better of me. Eventually I had to move house, and the van had to move on. My van now belongs to someone else in the club, as I had no space for it and I did not want to see it cut up. Here are a few pics of her.

(http://photo.starblvd.net/customfc/1-5-2.jpg?i=1055488361)
(http://photo.starblvd.net/customfc/1-5-1.jpg?i=1055488262)

Here is the design I drew up for inspiration. Featured extended doors, angled and bigger B pillar, tailgate leaned forward, with a slight roof chop.

(http://photo.starblvd.net/customfc/1-4-5.jpg?i=1055488046)
If you want to throw around ideas on this type of project, I'd be happy to discuss my thoughts. Good luck with your project, hope you see it to completion, unlike mine.
Regards
Alex

Hey Harko,
IMHO there is just a tad too much unbroken window (pun intended) in some of those "adjustments". Makes it look a little like a hearse, here's a concept from the owner of Carafano Motor Trimmers. I understand the project is well underway with his sights set on Summernats Grand Champ.
(http://www.smasa.com.au/glenns_fe/carafano_sml.jpg)
If you don't know Carmine Carafano, he has worked on many top show cars, Howard Astill's Race Rock, Fat57 etc and has a beautiful Statesman that has won trophies all over the country for years.

It looks like I picked your brains Alex ,theres 2 more at flynns if you wanna have another crack at it,
(http://photo.starblvd.net/~flame/4-5-5.jpg?i=1035133257)
(http://photo.starblvd.net/~flame/5-1-1.jpg?i=1035133257) The strips on the tailgate I planned to swage roll in rather than chrome or stainless strips and thats about the only difference
The side glass I thought would butt together like a split screen Rod and the curve on the door frame as I mentioned will be with the ute doors.
Where did you get your inspiration from ?
I got mine from a rendering in Street Machine that looks unreal as they do but is almost totaly unachievable ,When looking in detail it has an extended guard with the front leaned  forward ,the wheel arch is reshaped, The chop lower to the front  with curved side glass (top to bottom)
The roof has been sectioned,The rear guard eccentuated,Tail lights reversed and hey wooden roof racks I dont think so !!
 lots of things out of standard proportions
(http://photo.starblvd.net/~flame/1-1-2.jpg?i=1035133257)

Stinky I hope to see it soon ,Looks amazing and like a hell of a lot of work and/or $$$$, Extended front sheetmetal IMHO this would be a gigantic task - the bonnet tapers to the front imagine trying to change that angle of taper !
And those rear wheel arches are stretched hugely ,the inner arch will protrude above the window sill.
I love it and hope to be developing rolls of film on this ride when it appears but also I hope it can be achieved

I think this is turning towards my flavour a little more but hey I cant even get to this project for a good 4 months so RET maybe you should move this thread to the unreal cars section untill I get started.,What do you think ?

couldnt resist

(http://ourworld.cs.com/OneBookert/pic-gone-good.gif)

visulise

(http://ourworld.cs.com/OneBookert/pic-gone-good-in-dif-place.gif)

in the end it waqs basicly a different car, lol

harko  hows this project progressing
must be time for an update
                             trev

Thanks Son of a restorer - rebelious Hotrodder.
And sorry Trev, lets play stereotype,read Kids, House building and a nasty wife  :-X


(yes darling be there in a minute)

Although I have managed to loosely fit a shortened 10 bolt, Subframe is on with V6 and box and a beeyootifull big tarp

Harko dont get dishearted as most of us have the same problem. (yes dear comeing) Just remember while the cats away, and every woman has to go shopping sooner or later. So being the understanding husband that I am I encouage my wife to go and enjoy having a look around.

Regards
Mark

I'm not dead yet you lot, and while I'm still around don't stereotype!
Cat  ::)

Sorry Cat I didnt mean to upset you or anybody else.

Regards
Mark

Oh, I wasn't grumpy!!!!  ;D You'd know if I was!

There's no need to apologise, your stereotype was actually pretty correct, but theres a few of us out there who just don't quite fit it - and we're the ones on this fantastic forum who drive the best cars in the world!!!!

Which reminds me, did I mention to anyone that .....

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OK Back to topic,
Subframe has been stripped smoothed and etch primed .
Ret can you now move this thread back into the Real cars section ,This project is now underway !

Although Im not going to air the final photoshop plan Id prefer to keep it under wrapsand Im sure you will enjoy this build much more as you watch it come together.

I dont think the missus was as happy as i was to see the primed subframe  ???
(http://thumbs.villagephotos.com/index.asp?id_=9019229)
(http://thumbs.villagephotos.com/index.asp?id_=9019230)
(http://thumbs.villagephotos.com/index.asp?id_=9019236)
(http://thumbs.villagephotos.com/index.asp?id_=9019237)

Hey Harko.
Nice to see some work on the wagon.
How many projects have you got going at one time?
Regards
Alex

Ahh ,Are you talking just car projects hehe
I try to forget about em all so i dont get snowed under.

Nice work Harko,

someone in the pic is not very happy Jan...

Hey Harko, My missus said she can relate to mask of joy on your wifes face.
Hi Harko, this is the missus (Debbie) in the old days, Gary used to play with my shiney bits, :) but nowdays I'm just a Holden widow!!!  :(

g'day Harko, just love the tyre rack mate , the fridge just fits in perfect.
                                  Rusty

LOOKING GOOD HARKO ;)
IM THINKING OF DOING SIMMILAR TO MY WAGON IF IT DOESNT SELL(VANS VERY HARD TO FIND)I WAS THINKING LENGTHEND FRONT DOORS,FILLED IN SIDES,ONE PIECE TAILGATE ETC.JUST A THOUGHT.
CHEERS RUBBLE 8)

Decided at about 5:30 today to put the subframe temporarily back under the body to wheel it around , two beers later the neighbour rocks in an helps convince me to get the body blasted too, 11:30 I had it on the box trailer and the shed cleared ,batteries went flat in the digital so will post pics tomorrow night and blasted body hopefully monday

I found this lurking beneath all the crap in the van ,So I didnt pass up the moment hehe

OK Batteries charged ,here it is loaded for a blasting

harko   are you telling us you found a man dressed in a cockroach suit under your car....
looks like your right into the project now

totally bodacious duuude..

Hey Harko,
Now i know how you are working on so many projects at once. You've got 10 arms ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ACE 8)

Bad news is ,The blasters are shorthanded for the week so it cant be accepted untilllMonday week.
Hmmm nows the time to do some welding I suppose, at least all the usuals untill the roof is here..
Keep ya's posted.

Dont know any genetic engineers off hand Ace but more arms sounds great - imagine how many beers you could hold.

Heres a couple more detailed pics .
The badge on the firewall reads  "Your warranty will not be honoured if car is over loaded or speeding " Or something to that effect.
I also found a magazine inside dated 1959 - iTS a photographic mag but pretty cool none the less.

Theres a photo of the rust in the lower firewall/silll which is great , You dont see many this good, The floor pans need replacing in the front and thats about it ,there is a spot about 5c peice at the rear base of the door opening but it will be removed when the pillars are moved.

Rust at firewall base/sill

The cowl vent is realy clean although tarnished and looks a lot worse in photographs .
The whole subframe looked like this and cleaned up a treat.

A photo of the tray area shows how clean and not knocked about it is.

Keeping in mind this hopefully will be my work car come weekend cruiser extending the doors will allow access to the rear seat and add some cool too.

Hey Harko
The project is moving along at a rapid pace.
Car is surprisingly clean compaired to the pics of when you found it. Nice score.
I would suggest you remove the firewall tags before the blaster. You will get all the paint and won't damage the tags. Squeeze the rivets in from inside the car and pop 'em off.
Regards
Alex

You're killin me Harko!

You may recall the pictures of "Hilda's" cancerous cowl vent and firewall base/sill.  

I magnified your picture of the firewall base/sill 20X  and you're right,.......... there is a spot of rust there!!

Is this the same vehicle that left the wreckers on a fork lift? You've done very well. Keep the excellent pics coming

Emu - Jealous Bird

Thanks guys,
                    Yeah Emu Ive been there before too and its a good feeling to start realy getting into the areas you cant see and find theyre better than youve anticipated thats for sure.
The cowl vent rubber came out in one peice and complete ,and still flexible, Just amazes me that a car can sit untouched and exposed to the elements for 30 odd years and remain in this condition.


,Its gonna be a long week. cant wait to get it blasted

Harko,

This has turned out to be a great score. I remember this car clearly when it was sitting at Flynn's at Cooma, up to its windows in grass. Its great that you are on your way to returning it to the road.

How many blokes would have looked at it and thought it was unsaveable? Heaps I reckon, and look how good the body has turned out to be.

Congrats, like everyone else I can't wait to see what you produce.

Cheers,

Craig.

And the other half finished project dropped into the shed tonight, If all go's to plan Ill update photo's of this as I do them both .
I could feel the happyness in the room when it met up with its pan again

Whacked the wheels under the Dub that we had bought for it and dropped the car down to the rough height it will sit .
And we dont like em.
Might do the same with the commodore rims on photoshop and see if Im headed that way, disks can be machined and clearances should be OK

Hey Harko.....nice oval.
With both those projects happenin' at once, be careful not to mix up those parts......though it could make for an interesting ride or 2.
Kick your photoshop into life and let your imagination free. :)
Regards
Alex

Hmmm ,Better "I thnk"

Heres the metal removed to allow the rear seat to be used.

Heres the dub after I stripped the paint off the more open and weaker areas ,Not trusting the blaster.

This is the dirt only from the subframe brace - the brace looked clean and rust free ,I would have painted it if it wasnt to be blasted - lucky.

Heres the subframe brace - the left rail was absoloutely chokkas.
And yeah I removed the floor because being the second time around I learned that dropping the top means you need to  drop the seat and dropping the seat means you need to drop the floor flat.

Heres the Dub after blasting - blasting the heater tubes to pieces hehe , But I like it more work and a longer future

This is the inner sill area - beutifull .
Bloody happy to reach this stage so far.

In this pic you can see the band of original paint left so no distortion.
The guy gave me the full speel about how good he was and how he wouldnt warp anything . I said "dont do the roof or quarters and he did way more than I wanted just to prove he is capable.
So when I turned up I went from happy to pissed off to extremely happy while rubbing my hand up and down the quarters and roof.

Wow Harko.....do you sleep?
Great work so far.
I like what you did by stripping by hand the flat panels.
The FC looks like an entirely new car now. Wish my inner sills looked like yours.
Regards
Alex

Great minds think alike?
I watched a program on Foxtel the other night about Troy Trepanier (he owns the business Rad Rides by Troy in the USA, making famous cars such as Quadra-Chev, Sniper, Chicayne amongst others)
Anyway, he had been contracted to build a car by ebay motors using a car and parts from ebay only.
When stripping the paint they used chemical stripper on the large flat areas and left the crevices and hard places for the blaster.

Yeah Stinky Ive heard about that show and Im realy looking forward to seeing a taped version ,Also theres a chopper building father son team that sounds pretty awesome too.
Us tightarses wont pay for that stuff hehe ,Nah whats the point when I hardly see any real TV.

Alex - take note of my posting time.
Another ten years and Im gonna look as old as the hills at this rate - gotta do it while ya young though.

By the way Alex theres a chassis in my driveway as of sunday ,went to blacktown swap (didnt see any blacks) and grabbed the chassis with body on the way out of town , thanks for your help mate - now I officially have 8 cars "Way outa control hehe.

 :o :o :o

 :o :o :o Now what do I do ?  :o :o :o

By the way Ive seen those two shows on pay TV and every last bit of inspiration and motivation is flowing straight from Troy Trepaniers workshop.

Anyone else seen it ?

Hey Harko,
im watching   O.C.C and  monster garage, but stuffed if i can find troy trepaniers show, what time is it on and when.

cheers
Scott

It's part of the "Rides" series and was on a few weeks ago.

Holy Bat Turds Harko.
There's no turning back now.
How did you work out how much to cut out of each post?
What other bracing have you used?
I need to see more pics.
Regards
Alex

crikies  Alex if he lets you find all his secrets  then he will have to kill  you, ;D

Haha Alex Im not going the whole hog as I did with my ute and as you know Ive been playing with this one on photoshop for a long time.
For the measurements I consulted in my Highly technical Longitudinal diversity equivilator conducting algerisms of gravitational sparseness during the chemical imbalance with consideration towards the hypothetical rheamans theory and I came up with 41mm out of the front pillars and Im not sure of the rears yet ,Im going to lean the whole rear tailgate upper and lower forward about 5 degrees and possibly shorten the rear quarters a little.

Now between you and I and Nicko Im gonna have to quote "Another one saved from a restorer"

The front in the previous photo is at the height it will be welded at after widening the roof and the rear in this shot is only down about 15mm so it gives a bit of a false reading and it cant drop until i trim all the tailgate out.
Im only going 1.5 inches so it just enhances the lines with a couple of other body tricks up my sleeve to draw attention elsewhere - hope it all comes together succesfully.

Thanx Glen
as we all know they are always repeating
so i will have to keep an eye out for it in future.

cheers
Scott

You're a brave man Harko!

Im wishing you all the success for your wild project.

Id certainly be interested in pics too.

CHeers

Ed

Lookin good Harko, when youv'e finalised that formula you can start on mine.
Gary

ahhh harko. you are indeed a man of action - unlike me  :'(

no time, no space (even no electricity in my car space!), and no guts all add to me driving around an ugly duckling with no light at the end of the tunnel in the forseeable future....

so sad....

good for you . put up all the photos. you are an inspiration to us all!!

ps. with all these projects gogin on, that ute of yous must be taking up valuable space! remember who is first in line if you want to sell it!! (and if it isn't me, tell me where they live, i'll fix em)

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
BUGGER ME DEAD .............

Hasn't  ANYBODY learnt to keep the Angle Grinders AWAY from Harko ? ? ? ? ?

Geez     , Heaps have happened since I saw this last time..

Norm  :)

(Good lookin job , mate)

Norm
       Great to see you back on deck. Hope all is well with you in both health & spirit.

Harko
        Where do you find the time mate. Great job, I am look forward to more pic's & the finished product.

Regards
Sarge

Thanks for the comments fellas BUT
(And as much as I hate to say it) Theres been no progress this week apart from cutting the windscreen posts down an extra half inch so its 2 inches in total now,
Ive also been doing some more photochopping to get some acurate measurements .
And Ive made up templates for the entire car along with marking out where all my cuts will be .
This week should see some good progress ,Im on arvo shift and that means I can play cars all morning hehe

Ill post pics of the progress as this damn computer lets me .

Harko
I was only out scrub for a week any you have made great progress on your project. The way you are going it will be finished in time for the NSW Christmas run.

Keep up the good work,
Cheers JIM

After a couple weeks off ,I got stuck back into today focusing on leaning the tailgate forward a few mor degrees.
Heres some pics

Here you can see the gap produced that will have to have a new curved filler sheet placed in.

look how bad everything realigns, lots of angles to take into account here.

Tailgate in place to try and eyeball it to see if Im happy with the angle

Lookin GOOOD Harko,
Is that a hand saw on the ground in the second last photo?  There must be easier ways!  ;)

Have you thought of making a one piece tailgate Harko?
(I think you've seen Dave's one here)-
http://www.fefcholden.org.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=album;action=display;num=1056848393;start=6

Hey Harko.
Nice cutting.
Hard to tell by the pics, but I think it needs more lean. If you are going to this much effort, you want to make sure it is noticable. You may have already thought of this, but be sure to keep the lower window line horizontal. It would look odd if it sloped up at the rear. Those rear windows will be a bugger....what are you thinking in this regard....perspex?
Regards
Alex

I had thought about the problems of the rear side windows too, being a curved piece. What about welding in a curved piece of steel to fill the gap between the side and rear windows and then you could use flat glass in the sides.

I have seen a picture in a mag of a US Style Nomad wagon that has a double sliding window set-up in the rear that eliminates the C(?) pillar (D being the last pillar). The effect of the pillar is still there where the two windows overlap and appear darker. Not unlike the sliding windows you get in Taragos and Spacias.

Thanks guys.
Shayne I was hoping somebody would pick up on the saw - you dont see any angle grinders huh  ;)
I toyed with the idea a while back and figured I like the tailgate up while driving and its already been done.
Im also toying with the idea of barn doors similar to an ambulance but chopped , I like the look chopped (photoshop) if I can get it to suit, and this would eliminate curved glass in the rear .
Not sure which way Ill go yet.
Alex I hear ya mate ,The line along the window has to be straight and the tailgate lower may drop a little with the tilt so Im concerned about that too.
Im just about to take some angles off my photoshop image to make sure im keeping to plan.
And perspex Alex "stick it up ya rs"  ;D Been there done that and dont wanna go back,Id rather spend a weeks worth of metalwork than drop in perspex.

Stinky I noticed on that hearse that the rear corners were filled to allow side glass to be flat but Ive gone off the idea of having side glass at all.
Might just fill a side panel full of louvres  ??? ,,,I mean I think Ill just fill it in and the kids can look out the lengthened door glass (theres a price to pay for being cool).
I realy liked the rendering you put up months back of the red nomad Alex but Im usualy one to rack my brains for an idea that someone hasnt come up with before ,sometimes takes me to the borderline of sanity but hopefully it pays off..
Hopefully this week Ill be working an area that will raise an eyebrow or two so watch this space.
10 4 over.  

Hey Harko,
Gutsy effort so far, I love this sort of stuff. Bit squeamish to try it myself and besides don't have the talent.
Just a thought on keeping the glass line straight - If you make the top gate close over the bottom ala later model wagons, the frame can be extended to bring the gate glass back in line. Wont leak so much neither. Keep those artwork pics coming.
cheers,
Leigh

Hmmm.....problem with filling it with metal, is that it ceases to be a wagon and becomes a chopped van.
The thing with perspex is that it can be shaped to make it easier to insert.....in me rs.
Some pics for thought.
(http://www.hubcapcafe.com/i/2000/waconia2000/chev5501a.JPG)
(http://www.cars-on-line.com/13800/56pont13875-C.jpg)  ;)
(http://www.buickrods.com/Gallery/57Cabrillo/57CabNew2.jpg)
Regards
Alex

nice options there Alex, Harko maybe that red & black beast, build a new upper tailgate out of a wrap around windscreen to solve the rear curved glass issue?
easy ay.

hey guys i was enjoying reading up on this van then it just came to a sudden end, so what happend or is happening to this van ??? ???  ???

Better give you an update hey ,Ive been real busy blah blah but heres some "Progress" photo's .
Please give me some feedback on the overall proportions but take into account that Ive ended up chopping the front down 3 inches due to the drop away that the tailgate created ,The roof will have to be shortened about 7 inches to realign .

another

And this one shows the overlap of the two rooves that will be lapped using a pnematic lapper which will basicaly put a step the thickness of the metal which will sit under the roof line allowing less distortion and less chance of a blow through .
And the overall profile..

about time you started back on the van i thought i might over take you there for a while he he

cheers fat

Hey Harko.
Nice to see some progress.
The chop looks good.
I think the door needs more length though.
I still feel it needs the glass sides.
Regards
Alex

Have you got anything in that collection Alex that has a leaning front pillar ? Not sure if your curving me yet :)

Harko.
Surfing today & found this beast. Man, it looks gooooooooooooooooooooooooood!!
Would look better with an FC I reckon!

Rob J

Rear view.
If you need the bigger res shots, just let me know & I can email them.
Rob J

Harko
Sorry I missed a good photo od a red and white FB choptop at the local Ipswich car show the other week.

I took Ivy out for a Sunday drive and whilst out discovered the show, hence no camera. If I see the car again I will have a chat to the driver and get some photos.

Cheers Jim

Hmmm ,Last posting on August 3rd    (scratching my head) Where did I go ? Well inbetween that update and this I repaired the floors and rails and totaly stripped and smoothed the FC sedan ,Bought a chev , finished off the 192 th700 conversion in the FB , Sold off an FC wagon and sprayed up some bits for the bommodore.

Whew still dont seem like much on paper huh but I sure have been busy.

Soooo ,I picked up the bat or should I say welder n grinder again 9 day's ago and started at it full time with no job to get in the way.

There's only 2 pic's here I know but more will follow over the next couple of week's.

This pic show's the height of the tailgate after raking it forward ,Unsure of how I'll deal with it but I think it realy detract's from the flow of lines on the car .
Also shows the pieces it took to build an extended fin.
And although the wrong angle it also shows the roof shortened.

Here's some final chop measurements for those interested.
Front chopped 2 1/2 inches
Rear 3 1/2
Roof shortened about 9 inches
Tailgate raked 7
Wheel arches extended 1 inch at this stage but may change.

And the B pillar will be moved back about 6 inches and raked forward at the window so doors will be extended and matched to suit.

The entire floor will be lopped out maybe early next week and the donor cars body lopped off then these two grafted together  :o

As i say I'll update pics when I have the room to take em ,Cheer's

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/fcvan003.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/fcvan006.jpg)

Good to hear from you Harko, and even better to hear that you are back on the chopped wagon project.  Keep at it.  Pull up for a drink over Christmas though.
;D

Hi Harko
Like you said it has been a while. I can help you with that time you seem to have lost.

As we all know here on the forum you are a family man with a relatively young son, so I would say you devoted some of that lost time to being a responsible husband and father.

It is good to see you back on the chopped wagon, keep up the good work and we all hope to see more photos in the coming weeks.

Cheers Jim

thats lookin pretty wild Harko, good luck with it.
Gary

Hi Harko,

Looking good, love the floor :)

it's hard to tell from the pics but the upper edge on the tailgate lines up with the pillar and this sits about 1.5 inches lower than the window line? so a taller sectioned tailgate is required to make up the extra length from the new angle?

anyway it's a mammoth job and great to see it still being cut up and re-done.

nice work

Cheers

Ed

PS how do u manage to do so much on your cars??

I had to laugh at your closing comment ED because everyone who know's nothing about car's around here seem's to wonder when Im going to make some progress :) You know (I never seem to finish the thing I started .
BUT Im on a winner soon with so many projects all in the final stages :) I just cant wait untill the day I hop in all three car's at once and realise it cant be done  ::)


Yep thank's Jim your right on the buzzer ,He actually started walking on my birthday last sunday ,We were over the moon :) He still has trouble gripping and holding the grinder while its spinning though hehe
After nearly four years since becoming a Dad Ive realised time in the garage is great but time with the kid's is fantastic and looking at a finished welding job has nothing on watching the first step's of my boy.
Geesh feeling a little warm n fuzzy right now :)

 Dont worry shayne Im enjoying that midday drink whilst in the midst of welding very much and a good drink with family and friends is definitely on the card's .

Thanks dudes.

I can relate Harko....

Having six of the blighters I have even limited my time on the computer!!  :o

I have been a little scarce around these parts but I am stoked to see the progress fotes. I can't wait to see the pics of all three projects being driven at once! The physics of that exercise intrigues me, but I'm sure it can be done.

Hey Harko.
Nice to see the project moving forward and not out the door. Still lots of little bits to sort out by the looks of things. Keep plug(weld)ing away.
Keep us updated on all 3 projects will ya.
Regards
Alex

Thank's again guy's the comment's are awesome for motivation.

Alex I couldnt bare to see someone else driving it ...

Emu Im sure I could manage it on photoshop :) but my leg's arent that stretchy anymore.

Ive decided to sink the glass on the upper tailgate into the base and shorten the top gate ,Havent looked in detail yet so can only hope it's going to work at this stage.
Got a couple of hour's in today on the driver's side rear fin...
And a profile shot (sorry best I could do )
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(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/fcvan007.jpg)

 :o :o harko man, looking good!!!, you said you done some work on it but dam you work fast  ;D ;D

Here's a couple more updated pic's .
This second side ran a whole world smoother than the first as it would and the finished shape so far barely needs any corrective beating, pretty happy with that :)














And to all you guy's n gal's who make this site as fun and interesting and enjoyable and not to mention rewarding as it is ,Have a very merry Christmas and a kroozy holiday.
And get some more work done on that fe fc ,the national's arent far off.

opp's hit the wrong button .
RET what's happened to the modify option ,Maybe it could be set up so that in case of making a mistake it can be corrected instantly / before someone veiw's the thread.

anywayz

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/fcvan017.jpg)

Hmmmm undecided about this .

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/fcvan028.jpg)

And these are what I am working toward's ,thank god I'm getting some metal skill's in shape cause the Chev need's a huge dose of TLC

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/coolll.jpg)

Harko

The progress photos are sensational although what’s with using my old car as a storage area for your tools? ;D  The Chevy sure does look right at home next to the EK (or vice versa), whenever you find yourself lacking in motivation, you know that all you have to do is wander outside and take a glance.

So now that your metal skills are up to speed, I know of a certain EK ute that is crying out for a haircut.  You will be happy to know that my hiatus has ended and I have returned to the shed with newfound enthusiasm.

Merry Christmas

Chuck

P.S. FWIW, I actually prefer the taillights right way up, don’t get me wrong, I’m all for the concept, it’s just that I think that they got it right first time.  IMHO it would interrupt the rounded flow of the rear quarter.

Harko, I'm with Chuck on that one, the lights just don't look right upside down.  However,maybe if you graft in another rounded section from the top of the lights into the bottom you could have three frenched rocket lights or somthing like that in beween?  

Cheers,
Burnsy

True , I'm keen on sticking with the original theme of the car and changing grille headlights or tail lights would take away the original I suppose.But I am going to invert the bumperette's
Caddy bullet's are killer and I love em but I've seen them used on everything sooo .........
I reckon they would look cool though not an original idea anymore.
Good stuff chuck ,You can make your first blast down to the south coast and blend the beautiful vehicle with the beautiful scenerie and let your virgin EK look at all the monsters and realise how lucky it was :)

Today's input is predominately just to remind me sometime in the future of what a bastard of a day can actually seem like.
I finished off yesterday with not much direction as to where I would take it today but I headed back out after breaky and pondered how it was all going to tie together.
Iv e been working on attaching the roof permanently so I can lift the body without twisting it and am at the point of attaching the rear pillar's.
I have finished the inner fin and side window work to stabilize the tailgate pillars and help the rear pillars support the roof, The rear pillars had to be twisted and squeezed with straps and clamps to get them to line up properly ,whilst setting the roof at the right height and in the correct horizontal and vertical positions.
Read through that slowly again Harko (later reference of how much you earned this car) and you will realize how almost impossible this task is ,With all the curves and poor quality control in their day,  Acurate measurements were almost impossible to achieve

OK lets start the technical stuff now .
The tailgate is now situated in a slightly opened position compared to the standard rake ,The raking tailgate has caused the top door to sit ajar and fouled the curves over the top of the top gate and has caused the side pillars and top gate to miss align as they flow down to the lower tailgate and a lot of the factory gaps to change especially around the upper gate.
after 8 Hours "8 HOURS" I achieved absolutely nothing .
In the ninth hour I cut the hinges with a 3 mm cutting disk and bolted the plate I had cut off to the tailgate ,I was trying to clamp the upper gate into alignment so it could be tacked but it was like fighting an octopus and when I finally got it tacked the heat had moved one edge of one hinge and thus putting the whole lot out of alignment and meaning the tacks had to be cut back off ,I know that sounds easy but the drama it took to get it all into position meant that  breaking the tacks allowed it to all drop way out of alignment again.
End of the ninth hour I poured a schooner of bourbon and coke and simmered.............and simmered ..............and simmered.
I poured another and simmered ,I noticed i was I firing when I was walking around the shed tapping the tape measure then smacking ,then punching ,Then looking for something to damage hehe.
If you know me well I just dont loose my cool when working on a car ,How would I get this far if I did ? .
I walked away ,Took a breather ,went over the street to see the neighbors efforts for the day on the FC wagon he bought off me  and he is absolutely kicking butt on it , So I didn't want to be there either considering he made it an open competition for me to finish the van before he finishes the wagon.
I went back home and watched.....and simmered....
Until I thought Im not going to finish for the day and allow this to beat me. A lateral approach is what I needed so I used a few planks of hardwood to gain better measurements over the tops of the quarters ,and set a 6 of the 8 clamps on different angles .
Ground some of the top tailgate frame down ,curved it to clear the gutter rail because of the new position and tacked in the hinges.
The roof position was looking good and I tacked it too.
After browsing and measuring and thinking of every possible scenario (I think)
"I had beaten it" and within half an hour just by using a different approach and some lateral thinking .
So I sat back and poured a schooner of bourbon ........... and grinned.
Tomorrow will be slow going as well ,Then I will hit some big "photo worthy" stuff.
and possibly tomorrow I will look a bit further into flush mounting the tailgate glass
10 - 4 ,over

harko,

        seems as though you are making awesome progress on the van, gives me motorvation to keep working hard at finishing this ute of ours. it sounds like its going to be one mean looking fc van!!. what motor are you going to drop into this beast? was this the one that was headed for the 427? cant wait for a few update shots, am really keen as to how it will turn out.

anyay dude keep Cruzin :8

Thank's Torque ,Your watching this thread like a Hawk hehe .
Your ute is looking pretty awesome too mate ,If Im giving you motorvation then its reciprocating (hang on thats a big word)  
Yeah legaly I can run a 427  , 429.9 to be precise but I have been looking for a healthy runner for over two years with no luck ,Imagine if I wanted the Canadian block  :o So it might possibly end up with a 400 small block yet ,I would love to run the big block purely for the torque (pardon the pun) and the throaty note but I guess if there aint none ,There aint none.

Today Ive just secured all the corner areas and final welded everything that attatches to the roof so with a bit of luck tomorrow will be a big day....

No comments today ,will explain tomorrow ,46'C rolling around on a black driveway looking into the sun while I cut through steel and  sealant flicking it and causing blisters .
Ah well ,take the good with the bad.

The donor

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/crown004.jpg)

The carcas

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/crown006.jpg)

The happy camper

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The interupted profile..

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AMAZING ,Not one comment !

This was a major milestone in the build of this car and I was realy hoping for something in return here ,oh well ::)
The next update from here will be further down the track when the car is finished
I'll be sticking at it untill it's done now - When are the national's again :)
Thank's very much those who have shown interest and given comment's along the way it has been a great help and has realy kept me going with enthusiasm .

Was just marvelling at it, and saw you'd posted again.  Mate, it's an awesome achievement.

Things are a bit quiet around here at the moment - prob quite a few people on holidays etc.  Lucky you don't need us to motivate you, eh?

Keep up the good work.

cheers
RET

PS - The "Modify" button should still show up on the very last post in a thread, if you're the poster.  If that's not happening for you, let me know.

I think the few of us that are around are still picking our jaws off the ground. I have also been enjoying 2 days of peace with the wife and kids off at their Aunt's place, and I have been sorting brakes on the FE, so not a lot of time on the board.

I would like more details on the donor, but only after I finish off the FE Sedan  ;D otherwise I'd be off on a donor hunt for the next FE/FC build.

Harko (the motorvator),

        im with stinky-its amazing that you have gotten so far with this car in a matter of a couple of days- i mean look at it, i think youve put everybody into shock :O:O:O

keep up the good work-

Regards
Torque (the Motorvated)

RET- i just tried to modify something on my post, and the modify button is not there, all there is is quote, and report ???

mate this build is something that a lot of people would only dream about achieving and look at you, i dont know what you do for a living, but i know a few panel beaters that would never take the chance of building whats going to be one of the most talked about cars around when its done.    i have only been on this board for 12 months and love it when you put up dates up of this van.  its just great to see some one that is not afraid of taking on such a job in there home shed.   please dont deny us of seeing the rest of the build up     thanks for the pics of the  build so far.    steve

 ;)i think most of us are busy with holiday activities,but i must say when i saw the latest pics the words i used were "holy shit batman"thats one major modification that i think not a whole lot of us on the forum would even attempt!!when you get this wagon finished i think you might have to consider the changing of your surname to coddington,he,he,he i think there are more people watching than u think,keep up the amazing work ,cant wait for more pics and information,keep the wow factor happening!! ;) ;) ;)jamie

gees mate dont go boo hoo on us now.,i for one have been watching this car go ahead and have not commented as im embarrassed due to the  lack of work on my own car.
your car is an inspiration to many. im just been lazy and will have to start working very soon as i have no excuses because i just got a half side hoist off ebay that lifts car up to 870mm high and is air powered ,yes that meens the sills are been done by me after waiting for two local welders this last year who never bothered turning up after lots of promises.
cheers bud ,go have a beer or two and relax for a day or so,you deserve it.
reguards from Nicko (the lazy one)

Harko,
Don't be despondent that we haven't encouraged you via this forum.  As everyone else has already added, we are just amazed and awed by the project.  Good one mate.  Most of us are in holiday mode.  I consider I've had a great day working on the FE if I check the Oil & Water!  (I'm a lazy BasT$#d)

I can add that I bet your little girl will be a bit embarassed about posing in front of Dad's car when you bring out that pic at her 18th or 21st birthday :D   Cute family photo.

Happy new year, and I'm looking forward to seeing the finished project by Anzac Day. ;D

Hey Harko
Nice progress.....who needs a hoist when you have a mate with a crane.  ;D
Now show us the pic of that "new" car mounted on the FC floor, powered by that mighty grey motor.  8)
Regards
Alex.

ps. get off this bloody computer and get back to work.  :D

OK OK I chucked a wobbly ,I think the heat had affected me a lot.
I apologise for the dummy spit but in my defense I had seen 130 odd veiws on the thread without a single comment .
I thrive on comment's good or bad but prefer the good ofcourse (like everyone) and to finaly get to the top of the hill and share it with great excitement and hear nothing in return it kinda feels like I am pissing into the wind.

Thank's very much for the kick in the pants ,I need to know what you may think I already know....
And in retrospect I'm not usualy the one to be posting good comments on other people's threads ,so yep I'm a hypocrit and lesson learned.


Well in that case I'll put up a few more snap's tomorrow night showing the body at full drop over the sills and at ride height, Im planning on dropping out the spring's because the donor weighed a tonne and the chassis is way higher without all the weight on it.

By the way Stinky if we can keep the donor's origin as low key as possible it may allow me to reap the benefit's of my labor's before someone else cashes in on them (not meaning yourself) Just I have a bad habit of needing a break from one project after a while and I drop the ball - if someone else picks it up and beats me to the punch I'd spew.
When I'm done though there'll be no prob's sharing any of it though.

No rush Harko, once the FE is done it is onto the wife's FE ute. If that takes as long as the Sedan, then it will be a few years yet  ;D
Just stay "on the ball", there are a lot of people who want to see this car on the road and all the stages in between.

Thank's Stinky ,I'm battling at the moment 4 week's hard slog and back to work Monday .

Here's a (that's what arm talkin bout !) pic.
It's on the bump stop's burt you can see the ride height once raised will be pretty mean.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/fcvan105008.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/fcvan105007.jpg)

The final stages of getting the body to fit right meant alot of trimming on the firewall's ,rear wheel arches ,forward area of the sill's/firewall ,donor's floor and spare wheel area ,Pretty glad it's on now and the only other thing to change is to move it rearward 5mm.

The extended wheelbase is hardly noticable with the extended wheel arch and 16 inch rims.

christ that was fast Harko.

i cant help but say   ''HOLY SHIT'' HARKO MAN

man i love the look of it over the chassis, already you can see it will look really meen!! i never thought you could get a van dropped that low but you just proved me wrong!! :):):):):)

keep up the good work harko, iit is looking bloody awesome !!!!!

Nice Work Harko ;)
Regards ACE  8)

Quick update - I spent the afternoon trying to track down a big block chev to dummy fit in it and find out if its going to work or not.
Some of you may remember me trying to track one down about a year ago  :o I'm still trying hard.
So please please ask your Hot Rod mates or drag car or boating mate's if they know of anything (please)
The outcome being if I cant find a 427 (any big block for dummy fitting though) I will have to resort back to a small block , And when its legal to use a big bloke why would i fit a small bloke.

By the way for those who like excess info onboard ,I was told that a big block will sit on the same mounts for the engine and box but stretches 2 - 2.5 inches further forward.
In other words if you have the room in front of the engine you could drop out the small bloke and install the big bloke in a day....


The pic of the van is on the stop's so it will ride a few inches higher than pictured I spose ,shame ,but theres no way of turning the front wheels right now hehe.

Well, sorry mate.... I have been lying on the beach every day for the past 10!!!  8) 8) 8)

Very nice work.... mmm, 4M on the rocker cover... what does that mean I wonder!?

Oh yeah, if you read this in time, I'm on my way down your way tomorrow (if you are where I think you are?), give me a bell and I might see if we have a spare minute to drop in.

Shane
0407 906 605

Shame the hookup didnt go ahead Shane but there's always a next time mate... Atleast you know where I live now :)

Quick up date .
The big block is now sitting in place and all look's sweet ,(I think its going to work :)

I heard this today and was hoping someone onboard could back up the claim , He said "If you install a small bloke with a long waterpump you would then be able to simply remove it and replace with a big bloke and short water pump"
And at a quick glance and run over with a tape it would seem to be true.
Both are the same engine mounts and mounting position ,same position for the gearbox ,although the BB is about two inches longer forward of the mounts.

I guess time will tell ,I have some block huggers ,a hi-rise manifold, fuel pump ,heads and sump  (good mates)

Tomorrow will let me see a bit more ,Had to take it easy today and knock off early for my Son's 1st Birthday bash.



It looks real good sitting in the engine bay , definitely worth a tim the toolmans "Urrrrgh Urrrrgh Urrrrgh"

harko,
        how about some pics !!! LOL

sounds liek your making excelent pregress, you must put in a hell of a lot of hours to be making such progress :):)

this is going to be one wild van, shopped, dropped on a chassis, with a BBC, :O:O:O

keep up the good work Harko Man

The kids were having way too much fun at Jamboroo, time just ran away from us!



I have heard the same thing



Just check the bonnet clearance with that manifold



Pity I didn't drop by, coulda caught you making 'brrrm, brrrm' noises behind the wheel!

Hi Harko.
Big block modified FC Vanette done in a Nomad style. That is just too cool. I have been watching with interest & I gotta say, VERY cool & VERY clever.
I have always been a "Stockie" lover, but am on the road to being a convert to the Radical Modified style. Keep it up. I may not say much here (On this thread anyway ;)), but I have been watching from the word go.

Cannot wait until it is a goer!

Rob J

Thank's Hammer ,A man of few word's but straight to the point and considerate :) ,Thank's mate I apreciate it.

Here's a couple more pic's from over the weekend ,
A few drink's and the boys thought it was due for a paint job.

Engine is only tight for the exhaust between the two middle port's on the drivers side around the steering box and it look's like it will mount real low and well behind the crossmember too so driveability should benefit well.
With the engine so far back and bucket load's of torque on tap I may have to think a little more about popping the wheels in the air (strength)  and rear suspension setup maybe. :) I've always wanted to have that sort of fun.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/000_1154.jpg)
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Love your work Harko...!!
Looks awesome....!!
Keep the pics coming...

Cheers
Les... ;)

Harko,
          the big block looks absolutely excelent sitting in there-it looks like there is plenty of room around the motor aswell, not to mention how low it is sitting. this is going to be one hell of a van-you must be bloody proud to have it at this point now-keep up the good work and dont forget to keep us posted :)

Nice work Harko, looks like you've been busy.

please excuse my late of reply, it wasn't from lack of interest but it was difficult to find an excuse to use a computer when outisde there was crystal water, white sand and beautiful girls in bikinis.. heh heh heh.. :P

in fact.. i never even gave my own car a second thought...  this explains why the first bolt I turned threaded the captive nut. happens to be the top corner guard bolt too  ::)

Cheers

Ed

Man that looks cool!

Quick update - sorry no pic's Torque lol.

Had a lazy week after returning from four week's in the shed to days at the paid job and nights in the shed :) and only managed to do a little more trimming of the tunnel ,firewall and pedal brace. and found a better position for the engine / box ,a little higher allows me to change the spark plug without tilting the engine and gives a little more clearance for big bore pipes to wind thier way out
Tomorrow I have to make some engine mounts to weld in and find an acurate height for mounting.
The gearbox mount at this stage will be HQ but am realy unsure if it will be a permanent fixture.

Its a good way to do it all at this point because I dont have to avoid any inner guards or subframe ,Just build the sheet metal around it all later.

I have no computer at the moment so be patient for some updates .

Hey Harko, got that 'puter fixed yet? We wanna see what you've been up to.

Yep Stinky the computer is fixed again but Ive had progress only in a small way by moving the factory engine mount's forward about 30mm ,I was planning on puting in some plate to bridge the gap then just weld the box section on top for the engine mount to sit on but after removing the engine and box I found that it was going to look very rough that way .
I then cut off the plate that covers a structural mount ,cut the mount out and shortened it ,reangled it and dropped it a little lower so that when the covering plate goes back into place it will fit flush with the crossmember rather than on top as per factory.

I know ,It all sounds a bit mumbo jumbo without seeing pics ,and I dont have a before photo to compare to ,but when I roll off a few more shots I'll include this area.

I'm shaping up a gearbox crossmember today from a HQ .

and some measurements that seem to be working beautifully are the powerglide although I had to remove nearly all of the original tunnel sits up nice and high ,Trans pan drops about 1/2 inch below the chassis rails.
A STANDARD sump will sit about 1.5 inches below the rails and should have 1/2 inch clearance if I choose to air bag the suspension.
The diff andgle is at 90' and the engine - box angle is 92.
That 2 degrees wouldnt be enough to cause any vibration and when welding on the coil brackets and panhard rod to the 9 inch I'll try to correct it anyhows.

Wow look at all that writing , I prefer to look at pictures myself hehe.
Thanks for the interest Stinky ,Much apreciated.

Found these old pics in my camera showing the makeup of the left hand fin/tail light area.
I like the comparisom beside the uncut sedans boot angle :) .
These are great to remind me of how much work I have done !

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06003.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06002.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06007.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06006.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06011.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06017.jpg)

Heres some more showing the fabrication of the engine mounts ,It turned out to be a mamoth task ,Id say Ive had the engine and box in and out about 6 times up to this point...
The mount on the chassis if you look closely you will see that theres another mount under the one Ive spotted on .Kinda like an inverted U shape ,These were shortened and reangled ,Then the plates shortened and welded over them ,Then the box mounts plated off ,cut to angle ,An anti crush tube welded in then the whole mount welded into position.

I might add that with the engine on the mounts and in position if I were to move it in any direction I run out of room "Perfect fit) :)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06017.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06018.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06020.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06024.jpg)

If this update appears on page 9 ,Page 8 has a heap more relevant updated pics.

The engine blocks were set at the mounts angles whilst the engine sat in position and yep they are different angles to each other to suit.
And I have ground and smoothed the welds over to try to flow them into the base ,The rough looking welds on the front are filler welds over the structural welds that kept tripping the power to the house :)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/jan06025.jpg)

Hey Harko.
Nice to see the progress continues.
Thanks for the update.
Regards
Alex

Holy shite :o  I lay around for two weeks drinking Bintang and not much more, return home to find three weeks disappears in a blur that allows me to do not much more that reading the 10 recent posts each day and this happens.  

Harko, you are a legend mate.  It never ceases to amaze me what people are capable of when they fill themselves with motivation and persue their dreams.  Keep up the good work........... and the photos flowing.

Well thank you very much Burnsy and Alex .
But I am yet to inform you that I have sold the nomad ...



I sold it to a young bloke from Sydn   --- Just shittn ya's hehe.
but it is about to be put back in the cue yet again ,I have to make room for the body to come off soooo the Sedan is back to the front of the cue for reasembly.


Here's an interesting photo ,Ive given the 396 loaner donk back to my mate which is another story altogether but I'll tell :) .
The poor ol FB wagon was scraping her bum on any uneven ground with the heavy chevy parts in the cargo area ,Loaded up to the hilt .

So the photo is actualy with my small block and tunnel ram ,This setup busts the myth for me because it does bolt straight in the place of a big bloke or visa versa.
Just this setup allows the carby/filter height to drop about 2" compared to BBC
The big block is 2" taller , 2"longer ,and probably 2" wider in each head .
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/feb0.jpg)

Before I pack it up in the corner would anyone like to see anything in particular photographed ? speak now or foever hold your piece..

I found this when installing a 428FE Big Block in place of a 302 Clevo in an XW Falcon I used to have.

That Mr Gasket scoop you have there Harko, they come with a spacer to raise it up to bonnet level, not needed with a BB, but required with a small block.

Aha I noticed those spacers could be positioned either way - So thats why .
Theres no hope of that Mr Gasket sitting on the small bloke anyways because the engine is so far back that the tunnel ram is hitting on the bulkhead and it still needs pushing back about an inch ,Doesnt suit anyways I think and the small bloke is only in there to get back some floor space for the time being...Cheers though but dont use that F word again :)

nice Harko!

the mind boggles.

what wil you call this car?

"Mr Muscle"

tuff as

Cheers

Ed

I'll call it a lot of work ED hehe.
Mr Muscle reminds me of an Ad of a musclebound bottle bouncing around a bathroom :)

Dunno ,No idea what to call it ! Ive never been one to name my cars but a name for this one would be pretty cool.

My favourite part of this thread is that to start with I formed up a concept and one of the first reply's was "I think we should move this to the Unreal Cars section Harko !" :)
It got moved and it was moved back once it was underway :) .
Hmmm "Deliverance" ........ Nah Ive got no idea what to name it .

OK this will be the last photo's for quite a while but whilst swapping the two cars from side to side I took a coiuple of photo's  "in sadness I suppose"
They tell me that absence will make the heart grow fonderbut I'm not so sure it happens with cars and the workload acompanying them though.

Check out these cool shots...

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/weapons2.jpg)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/Harko/weapons1.jpg)

Cool pic Harko.
Looks like Chopsville.
Regards
Alex

Anyone interested in buying this van $4500 ring me 0242 579600 ,Dont ask questions here.