FE-FC Holden Discussion Forum

Here is a severly chopped FE (?) sedan. Photo taken at the 6th Street Machine Nats in Canberra. Out cruisin at night when I came across this FE in a servo. Only time I got to see it, so, sorry about the dark pics. Other than the chop (how many inches do you think that is Harko?) the car featured frenched headlights, a grill that appears to be from a 53 F100, and taillights were turned upsidedown.
(http://www.fefcholden.org.au/forum/attachments/6natchopfc3-w2.jpg)
Regards
Alex

Rear shot showing the taillights. Looks like an EK rear bumper also. Oh, and don't forget those side pipes. The guy in the white FC seemed to be this guys buddy, an interesting car in it's own right.
(http://www.fefcholden.org.au/forum/attachments/6natchopfc-w.jpg)
Regards
Alex

Here's a front view, showing that grill.
Also, can you see why that white FC was interesting?
(http://www.fefcholden.org.au/forum/attachments/6natchopfc2-w3b.jpg)
Regards
Alex

Alex
am I seeing right or is it too late but the doors seem to have awfully long windows,looks like it may have been two doored????????????
John M

Ive got this car in a Custom Rodder magasine here somewhere (Please dont ask me to find it)
But what do you think - 7 or 8 inches.
Its just too low ,I know if your going for the extreme end of the customising culture youve gotta risk looking a bit unusual if the proportions dont work.
Lots and lots of work to acheive that though ,See how the turret has flattened out ,He would have put a band through the centre about 100mm wide and about the same left to right .
They loved to do the hard yards back then and the silly ones of us still do  :-/ Namely 1 Harko

Wow,

Reckon the seats are recessed into the floor?

Which project are you working on at the moment Harko? (house VW, panel van, or all of the above).

I just finished my 250cc track bike (and it absoulutely hammers, hoping for 1.55s at Eastern Creek next weekend) , so it's full steam ahead again on all things FE related (most of the time anyway - I need a garage neaar home).

Cheers

Ed

You got it John.....the white one only had 2 doors.
Here's another pic.
(http://www.fefcholden.org.au/forum/attachments/6nat2doorfc-w2.jpg)
Regards
Alex

Where is this beauty now?????????
Timeless mods unlike his mates chopped roof, even Harko thinks it is too much :o

John M

and not a bloody Commodore to be seen  :)

No Jap imports either. 2 door FC's, HQ's reeeeel low at the front, EH's with hot six's and chromies, and poor bastards with Cortina's.

Now those WERE the days when Summernats was WORTH going to.

Must find those instructions for the time machine, I know there here somewhere.

Hey John.
The guy had a for sale sign in the back window, so it could be anywhere now. Funny we never heard of or saw the car again.

Hey Craig.
I know what you mean.
Better make that time machine a bus, I think you would have no trouble filling it.
"I BAGS SHOTGUN!"
Regards
Alex

Ill take the backseat and lets programme it for the 50s 60s 70s and 2020s .
I love the 2 door white FC with its smooth touches "Timeless" describes it beutifully

ED I dont know what Im playing with at the moment but it feels realy good lol
I still spend over half my life in the shed and at the moment I seem to be sanding a lot of bits of plastic and tin but still a Holden.
House is half bricked now and the roof is on so by about mid January I might have a new garage to live ,,Ah I mean house to live in.
Ive got the car hoist going up to the third level with a games room on the fifth lol  ,Nah but at least I will have a slight bit more room to whored    hoard  and swing a grinder around :D

Speaking of real low HQs - Check out this Indonesian ste ,Theres actualy quite a few nice rides in there.
ftp://http://www.indoholden.com/g10.html
Just click on the NEXT button to check it out.

UP THE HOLDENERS??? crikey Harko, where do you find these sites? I like pic 29, do you reckon they would all fit into those cars  ???
Cheers, Gary

Ive seen some other pics of this car, I thought it was pretty cool, I never knew there was such thing as too far when it came to roof chops, I might have taken a couple more inches out at the back and a little bit more at the front.
one pic that stands out in my head is of it covered in dust in a car park, now that I think of it, it kind of looked like the spectators car park at Natex, it must have been around the time as the car was exactly as is in your photos with all the plates on the front and the prem hubcaps the paint seemed a bit less glossy but it could have been the dust.

I think this would be called a convertible 8) 8) 8) 8)

John M

Harko
I agree with you about the timeless look of the white FC. I also had a look at that link you provided. That guy must use the car as a grader. I did not see one F series holden in all those photos plenty of H series though.

Cheers Jim

Here's the pic from Custom Rodder.
The caption says it is owned by Ricky Parker.
(http://www.fefcholden.org.au/forum/attachments/FCChop-Ricky-Parker.jpg)
Regards
Alex

all that time and work and money,yet $20 set of wheels ::)

Winner of most ugly award. I know where this one would be found today... in a land fill somewhere!
John M

Hmmmmm.
I don't know, John. I think it could possibly look a LOT better with a decent set of wheels & that stupid side pipe removed. I think it has that "Bonneville Salt flats racer" look about it. If it had a blown Grey in there, it might just be acceptable.
RJ

that grill looks like an old spit rail on pub floor around the bar,

Rob
I have to agree with you on that one, change the grill, the rims and remove the side pipes add a new paint job and you would have a very nice car.

Wow...  :o This thing is tuff ...its so tuff its ugly tufff... Flat black and some decent wheels and I reckon its  a hell of a lot of fun... It amazes me that these cars keep turning up on the internet and I thought I knew of all the chopped Two doored FE/FC's.... I had thought about using up one of my spare bodies and chopped screens for a similar look but now I have seen it done - I would go a bit easier on the chopping. My screens are chopped 4" so I could not go this low.  But then again I have enough projects.... Cheers streetneat 8)

terribly ugly loose the grill, wheels, pipes and dump the stance by about 3 inches and you might have an ok car.  Love the smooth lines of teh 2 door white fc.

MICK

Some pics taken at a later stage.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w33/RonGalaxie/ChoppedFC_front.jpg)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w33/RonGalaxie/ChoppedFC_back.jpg)
Regards
Alex

This thing is pure GOLD, id like to shake this blokes hand, this is what kustomising is all about, where is this car now?  Not a bolt on queen like me, hes gone the whole hog, good on him!!!!!!!!!!

                                                               Tayz

Nicko, yr post was a big call from someone who had a CANARY YELLOW ute.................... ;D ;D ;D

                                                                         tayz

Thanks for the  updated pics Alex. Any idea on the where abouts and who owns this car now?
Cheers streetneat-Andrew.

I was thinking that was 1 of the ugliest FE's i had ever seen :-X

Different wheels and paint looks as mean as  :o

Here's something else that has had alittle off the top :o
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t204/hastieben/P3260005.jpg)

while we are on the topic of chops and not FE FC related I saw this little (not so little) beauty at wintersun

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/mickusmickus/IMG_0621.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/mickusmickus/IMG_0622.jpg)

Hey Ben.
I am not a fan of that style of car.
I don't call em Hot Rods, as to me they are W@nker rods.
Anyone who takes a classic style of car and butchers it into a totally impractical piece of machinery, just so people look at them, is a true w@nker.
Why not just get w@nker tatooed on his forehead and leave the cars to people who appreciate them....would have the same effect in my eyes.
Ok, I will stop now.
Not a personal attack on you Ben.
I hope he was followed home by an SUV with dodgy brakes.
Perhaps I should take my ramblings over to the rants forum.  :)
Regards
Alex

Herman Munstermobile comes to mind, though I don't think old Herman would fit

A  bit harsh Alex- you post pics here of a radically chopped  FE and you are  upset that someone does the same to a Model A?

I guess I should review my Tattoo status...

I dont quite know how  its drive-able-( the rat rod)  but  to me its just another form of customising art.  More in your knees than in your face - but  pretty damn cool in my  books.

The whole idea of creating  radical customs is to  go against the grain of normality - which is why they are radical. I created My FC custom partially  with that in mind and if it  upset the establishment of  conservative tastes than  that was  just a bonus.  Most of the fun is in  the creating and letting it see where it takes you. A bit like writing a novel - although in this case its  probably a Stephen King Novel!

Wishing death  upon the creator is a bit extreme- but then again - a radical creation gets a radical response. I suspect the creator had angering  folk in mind  as well as seeing  just how low you can go.

Just remember its all art and expressionism. I think its  pretty cool myself.
Thanks for the pics Ben.


Cheers streetneat-Andrew.

To tell ya the truth Alex i think the guy has over stepped the mark myself with the chop.

But some ppl like to push the boundry's when it comes to modifing thier cars.

I realy do take my hat off to those who stirve to keep thier cars in show room condition. But in some cases they are 2 far gone to be returned to thier former glory or maybe a crash has made it so the only way an owner can get the car back on the road.

Like changing grill's and head lamp setups?

maybe he was just listening to this song too much-


Thirty one ford with a flat head
merc
Channelled too low I'm a real gone
jerk
I'm in a hotrod gang I'm in a
hotrod gang
I'm in a hotrod gang I'm in a
hotrod gang
Boom boom shang a lang shimmy
shimmy shoo wop bang bang.



i dont mind these things that much but i just wish they would do a bit more research into what hotrods really did look like in the period they are trying to reproduce before they started building, stilll better than the usuall fibreglass, billets and digital dash we still see a lot off.

As for the FE, it looks good from a distance, the guy musnt have done too bad if we are still looking at pictures of his car 20 years later.

The rat rods arent period Hot rods as such - They may have started out like that  but its now a  style in it's own right- ( love it or loathe it!) sort of a retro rejection theme if you like. Punk rock version of  auto building I call it.  Not something I would  do myself - but I can dig those that do.


Cheers streetneat-Andrew.

Andrew, my point about the car being dangerous wasn't to wish harm on the driver, (if the car actually sees the road and not just a trailer) it was to point out how dangerous this car is. If the guy drives this on any road, he is a damn fool.
Some clown built one of these, and now these "artists" think that building something even more dangerous, just to show how stupid you are is a good thing.....simply for shock value!?!
These cars give Hot Rodding a bad name IMHO and have no place in the car scene. Place them in art galleries as that suits them better.
Would you go out to the garage and pick up the sawsall and remove the bottom 2 feet of your FC and remount the body much lower. You might have to create wheel tubs on the tops of the fenders to clear the wheels, but hell, what a statement that would make. Don't forget to stick a couple of 2 foot ram tubes through the bonnet, so they are higher than the roof. It might be impracticle to drive and probably unsafe, but it would be noticed and you would be able to show how artistic you can be.
Naturally, this is not necessary, as you have acheived these things without having to butcher your car into something that is no longer a form of transport.
IMO these guys build cars for the wrong reasons.
This is not the case for all "Rat Rods", just the ones that have been modified for no sound reason.
Regards
Alex

 ;)Geeeez Alex you must be getting old!!and i thought you were a custom rod type of guy??are you going to maybe trade in your custom fc for a stock fc??the yank custom kulture is growing out of control in the states and here,and when i was there i saw many of these cars being driven which i reakon was kool as they are very radical and look grouse on the road,as for being trailor queens alot of them arent ,which is more than i can say about alot of showcars,dragcars,hotrods that are being built here!!alot of these custom kulture(ratrods)are built up on a very tight budget and most the work has been done by the owner,in there own garage which i can appreciate as thats the way i work ,even in the showscene here too many guys take their cars from one shop to another and never lay a spanner on it??so who built there car??not them....i reakon bring on the ratrod-custom kulture look,im all for it cause its different,i certainly dont want to go to the next fe-fc nats and look at 200 stock fc,s all the same!!bring on some radical chopped and customized fe-fc,s and im there!!!the kustom kulture movement is only getting bigger here,call ME a w@nker if you like but i love it...........thats my 2bobs worth.......cheers jamie

Im with you Hotrod, I buy Olskool Rodz every 2 months and i love looking at the pics of the ol rodz chopped and channeled!!!!  I cant see whats wrong with it but everyone has different tastes.  I would look at one of them anyday over a restored, Billlet, or whatever.....  8)

Here's a few radical customs that pre-date the current ones by a few years. http://www.barris.com/

These aren't cars, they're created by people who put form over function. OK you can't go flat out down a freeway in them, but as a static display piece they are works of art.

Good on them for stepping outside the norm. Even the mild 'Rat Rod' stuff is a refreshing change, no trailer queens amongst that lot!!

I know that page craig, its been my home page for the last 4 months, i just thought it was cool music to have everytime i open internet explorer.

Hey guys.
I am not saying that modified cars are anything but cool.
My concern is that some of these rods lack taste and more importantly, lack function.
I guess it is like where customising went in the 60's, when lot's of builders modified parts of the car to earn points on the show circuit. This resulted in cars that did not flow, or were just down right ugly. Modification for the sake of modification goes against reason. IMHO, a car should be modified to improve it's styling, but if the modifications mean it can no longer be driven, it fails to meet it's fundamental reason for being....transportation.
Show me a radical car that retains taste and can be driven, and you have my appreciation.
Where is the sense in chopping a top so much, that you have to retain no roof insert so your head can stick out to drive it? What purpose do ram tubes on a carby that are 2 foot long serve, other than it makes them taller than the roof? Why channel a car so low that you have to get on your hands and knees to enter it?
Sure the FE in this thread has a radical chop!! Bottom line is that it can still be driven and would retain head room.......no comparison really.
Tayz.....if you don't already, buy Rod and Kulture magazine instead. Has real cars that can be driven, traditional style and there are usually cool stories that go with the pics....Old Skool Rodz has none of this.  :o ;)
Regards
Alex

Alex, I read em all!!!  Just have to hide the credit card statements from the missus as they are not cheap to buy.............. ;D

I wasn't gunna bother replying anymore to this post Alex- but  others have said just what I was thinking- You have contradicted yourself a bit and your growing conservative in yer old age and ya  just dont get it!  ;D

Its cool- its way out and its  popular- just look at the feedback here and the  Kustom Kulture in general - end of story.
But  debate and discussion  no matter what anyones  individual opinion is  what keeps it all interesting.

Now here is a newsflash for ya- that radical rod is apparently driven! I cannot  upload images here of what I found on the net ( I dont wanna  become an  'FC Club Member'  just to post more here!) but the guy  does drive the car as I have seen. Getting  in is a laugh- he sits on the ground and sorta shuffles in. -Once in  he is laying  down -and despite what you first think- is not as bad as you  imagine. Think of the cramped conditions and poor visibility in a Tank - thats what its like in this  thing. Once settled in the vision  is better than you expect. Think about it for a moment -   Just how much vision is required when you are laying down? So its still filling the role of transportation .


So its not quite as impractical as you  think - it has been proven to be used- albeit limited and Im with the majority - its  just great to see something  outrageously different and taken to the extreme- after all  our hobby is about fun with cars - is that  guy having  fun? You betcha! And so are most of us watching....

You wanna argue more about perceived impracticality? Have a look at  some of the cars  built  decades ago  for salt lake racing ! You have to wonder how on earth some of those cars were driven let alone flat out! Radical chops and  big air intakes didnt seem to  stop these guys!

Do what I did and Google in  radical rat rods and try U tube with the same - pretty damn great stuff in anyones book - anyone with a pulse that is!

BTW there are only two sorts of  people in the world - W@nkers and Liars 8)

Cheers Andrew- streetneat

Well it goes to show, everyone has an opinion some more than others  ::)

Andrew, why reply when you made your point?
You just seem to roll in whenever there is a little controversy and stir the pot. A man with your experience and talent would do well to visit the Modification and General Tech sections, advice from a good(great?) Paint/Panel man is always welcome.

BTW, the old "don't want to be a member chestnut" doesn't wash anymore, anyone who is a board member such as yourself can post pictures. Just host them on photobucket, tinypic or whatever and provide link. If you need help just give us a yell.

Cheers

Hey Andrew.
Your description on how this guy gets in and "drives" his 'car' only serves my point of view in my opinion.
Quote - "Getting  in is a laugh- he sits on the ground and sorta shuffles in. -Once in  he is laying  down"
These cars remind me of those whacky 'rods' from the 70's that looked like shopping trollies, radio flyers, beds, out houses etc. These things were "way out and popular" also, but they only have a quirky place in automotive history......and newsflash - they were driven also. Hell, even some of the greats like Barris built these cars.
The lakes cars were built with 1 purpose - aerodynamics...end of story.
The problem here is that these cars are being built by guys who are into the Kustom Kulture thing and have progressed into the car thing.
With me, I am into the car thing and have found an interest in the Kulture thing, so I'm coming at it from a different angle.

Hmmm...now for the difficult question, what type of person am I.....(http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v161/LittleCars/Tongue.gif)
Regards
Alex

So what is the most radicalilly chopped FC ever?

Depends on your version of radical  ;)
It could be the FE that Alex originally posted or another definition would say any convertible/roadster conversion. In the difficulty stakes you can't really go past Streetneat's Gold/Blue sample, but technically that was an FC wasn't it? ;D

Err I was adding new info Glen about how  since   I have found the car is  actually driven - but point taken - I love stirring you guys   up - ya caught me out and you take the bait  so well...
::)

At least Alex took it as good natured as was intended and it was Alex I was directing at...
I do agree with you though and some of your observations  Alex - you are coming at it from a different angle- ironically the same angle as myself... I studied all of the American Kustom car crafters before I built my cars  and even if I'm not heavily into the Kustom Kulture thing myself  - I love seeing what  weird  and wonderful things these guys are gunna come up with next
Its all good- I just have to figure out my how to hone my communication skills further  so you guys  don't keep taking everything I post as pot stirring  ( well not ALL the time!) I don't take myself seriously in these discussions- nor do I take  the comebacks  seriously - its all just debate and discussion.

No one has yet answered my original question who owns and where is the the radically chopped FE now?

Now  tongue in cheek again -
"So what is the most radically chopped FC ever?" ... err mine as far as I know - but am keen to find one more chopped up- as long as it can still be driven and is  registrable...

Im sure someone here will correct me though...
:P

Cheers and chill out - Streetneat Andrew

Err the question Glen was  what was the most chopped up FC- and mine technically is still an FC?

I did use  an FE for most of the donor metal but the base car  is FC. If you  look at  the build up on my website - the car  uses mostly FE/FC metal - just moved around. With a small sprinkling of VW - heavily modified and what ever other old Holden parts I could find in my shed  was  thrown into the mix .
( I will avoid 'pot stirring' references)  ;D

Cheers streetneat-Andrew

Sorry Anndrew, reading too fast again, I missed it.

Most rad chopped FC?
Well, Andrews car is obviously a contender.
Considering when this car was around, early 70's, this is also a contender in my eyes. 'The Shark'
(http://www.fefcholden.org.au/forum/attachments/shark2.jpg)
Atleast I think it was an FC!!
Regards
Alex

ha ha, i thought if someone posted something other than andrews car it would be the shark.

Yes I would agree-  When I built my Coupe I had old magazines lying around featuring The Shark and while I reckoned it looked mean - I didn't like all  its lines.
I'm not gunna Rabbit on about my car - thats been done to death  by others. But I would love to see  anymore Radical Custom FE/FC/FB/EK Holdens...

Yes Glenn - you did read a bit fast  ;D

Cheers Streetneat- Andrew

The Shark, now that is kooolll.  Ive seen HOTROD's plans for his chop and when done it will take the cake, its already on the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8) 8) 8)