FE-FC Holden Discussion Forum

my car is engineered for a 186 and i have fitted a 202 .
engineer told me would be fine
BUT blue slip guy tells me i cant get it regoed like that
need it regoed within 2 weeks and is a real bloody let down

I am really surprised your engineer told you that - from my experience if a car is engineered with a certain size motor and the motor size is changed then it needs re-engineering. The re-engineering should be very straightforward and no issue at all, but the fact of the matter is that once a car is engineered - all that is written must stay as it is. This applies to everything from seats to brakes - whatever has been recorded on the certificate.

Ken

I got a vg 179 you can borrow if you get desperate,ok! 8)

thanks guys
ken i thought it would be a problem
fink thank you very much for the offer you legend

i rang engineer on friday he said as long as no structural changes would be ok.
hes 2 hours away so a bit hard to take it to him
maybe i could trailer it to nowra and show him
worried though i might need the two week paperwork as before

You can drive it with a permit


Ken

if you still have the 186,
restap the numbers in the 202 ;)

john253a,
you cant do that  ;)

i'll see what hes got to say tomorrow

i'de be looking for a 186, as has been said strange for the engineer to say that cause in NSW a 202 should come under the same size regs as a V8 collapsable collum and dual circuit brakes but that can also depend on the engineer, i know of a guy that's had a few V8 HRs go through on single circuit brakes

ratbox i have all those things yet i kinda thought id run into problems come rego time
ken,ya need a blue slip to get a permit in nsw
catch 22

You need a relaxed bluey bloke..

ask around.

Pete

G'day Waynos,

in NSW, there are some times that you can drive unregistered for the purpose of obtaining registration by the most direct or convenient route:

• To the nearest convenient motor registry.
• To the nearest convenient vehicle inspection station or authorised safety check station to determine whether the vehicle complies with the applicable vehicle standards.
• In the course of inspecting or testing the vehicle to determine if it complies with the applicable vehicle standards.
• To the nearest practicable weighbridge to determine the weight of the vehicle.
• From a motor registry or safety check station where the registration of the vehicle has been refused, to the nearest convenient place where necessary repairs can be made or where the vehicle can be garaged, unless a direction has been issued that the vehicle must not be driven before the necessary repairs have been made.
• From an authorised safety check station to the nearest convenient place where necessary repairs or adjustments can be made or where the vehicle can be garaged.
• To the nearest convenient office of a licensed insurer for the purpose of obtaining Compulsory Third Party (CTP) insurance.
• To the nearest convenient location for any other purpose directly associated with the registration process.

The third, fifth or last bullet points might be the one you need. Still need insurance though, and may be worth double-checking with the RTA by telephone (guarenteed to be fun  ::)).

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/unregisteredvehicles/index.html

Cheers,
Harv.

harv i do know this ,thats half the problem
i need to drive to nowra and dont have time to get to rta to ask,or spend an hour on the phone

hey guys. i am in the same boat here. engineered for 186, changed up to 202 means no blue slip in nsw unless it is engineered. the closest engineer i could find ( i am in campbelltown area) said, collapsible steering column, dual circuit brakes, and i think he may have even intimated that 2 speed wipers might also be asked for if i got him on a bad day. easiest fix for me is to put a 186 back into it. i am still looking around for a good block. I thought about the 186 numbers onto the 202 block but because i then drag the blue slip guy into it, that is i am trying to make a fool of him, i just couldnt bring myself to do it. so if anyone wants to sell a good 186 engine, please let me know.
 best regards
 Ian

My brother has one in Brisbane with yella terra head and turbo hangin off the side..... Turbo off for your slip though

might be a bit hard to re stamp a 202 unless you ground the 202 out of the block might be a bit obvious. ;D

ian ,  i feel for ya mate ......
im puttin my 186 back in tomorrow........
it sucks my engineer says its ok but sydney blue slip dudes wont do it
pisses me off cause i  thought i had  done everything textbook legal

to many rules.....

 ::)

and ian i already have the collapsible .2 speed wipers etc etc,am quite willing for the reengineering but dont have time
as i said i NEED it regoed asap

Guys,

Can we please lose the discussion about changing engine numbers. This is a public forum, please exhibit some common sense.

Rules, no matter how inconvenient, are rules. If you want to modify a car you have to accept the umpires decision, otherwise don't. Remember no one is sitting down thinking how terrific it is that Joe Bloggs somewhere is going to triple the power in his structurally weak, dynamically incompetent 52 years old, plus, Holden.

Thats why car manufacturers spend $millions upgrading the whole car for maybe a 20% increase.

So changing the direction here, in NSW do you need a Chassis kit for a 304?
I think it'd be wise to do so but wonder what the engineering side is wanting for approval.

johns,
 well said

i dont want people thinkin i might do that after all the trouble im goin through puttin my dads 186 in
he didnt even want me to have it!
thanks dad!

the 52 year old holden,is a safe driving all steel car.... ;D

no plastic and air bags... :-X

hey guru, the engineer i spoke to told me he would definitely not approve any fb without a chassis kit if it had an engine bigger than 186. i cant speak for any other model or any other engineer but this guy was straight with me and that was all i wanted to hear.
 best regards
Ian

Wow, I didnt require a chassis kit for a V6

Yet an engineer up our way approved an LS1 in an EH with no chassis kit as long as it had a Pat gardener front end ??? ???

There are many, many, many ways for the NSW engineers to interpret the guidelines... and they are just guidelines, not concrete rules.

Home page
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/authorisedinspectors/vsccs/index.html
List of guidelines
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_dl1.html?rlid=infosheets
Specific guidelines for light vehicle modifications
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_2007.pdf

Cheers,
Harv.

As Harv said, interpretations vary, so find an engineer who shares your interpretation of the rules.

I was told I could not air bag, chassis notch, or run a late model engine in my '42... a chop top as well and the engineer ran a mile... he was the guy who certified the V8 wagon as well.

so I found another engineer who said it was ok within his interpretation of the rules.. he even asked me if I wanted to suicide the doors.. he sees my build as quite straight forward and mild.

As far as chassis kits go, I would install one, just because it makes good engineering sense to reduce body twist... but that's just me.  Try jacking up a non strengthened body at one point compared to one with a chassis kit.. the benefits are immediately obvious.

Cheers

Ed

Whoa, where was that? can he approve an LS1 in an FC???
I can chuck another dummy spit and go that direction

you actually can.

its amazing how its up to the engineer  to follow the  guidelines ...loopholes everywhere.....some are stricter than others i guess
.my engineer in nowra is super cool.......
guess these dudes in sydney are all gettin scared of losing their licenses huh??

goddamit

Im using an engineer in sydney over one in newcastle and he is happy for the Air bag suspension, tubs, tubular front end, ect ect

Can you send his number mate as I am getting a bit of a dickaround. Heard Athol got his licence back too

yes i'de say not a bad idea not to talk about changing engine No's
as for the other stuff there wouldn't be that great a differance in power from a 186 to a 202 many people actually prefer the 186 so i don't know where the structual integrity thing comes into it ::) last i knew the only extra stuff required by an engineer from a 186 to a 202 were collapsable collum and dual circuit brakes nothing that increases the structual integrity, i'de even go as far as saying there'de be nearly as many originally grey powered cars fitted with red motors now as there is grey powered cars most of which don't have chassis kits or anything else increasing there structure and they're as safe as they ever were

as for chassis kits in V8 cars there used to be a couple of (NSW) engineers that didn't ask for them, i don't know anymore as i've had no contact with any engineers since the change, i did a 308 powered EK ute with a reasonably healthy engine over 10 years ago it had no chassis kit (engineer didn't require it) and that car is still on the road and as good as the day it was done
as the engineer said, they are basically the same structure as H/KTG holdens and they're fine with 350 chevs

also not saying they're not a good idea

yeah its not a big difference between 186 and 202,years ago i blew my grey and put a stock 202 in my car with a 350 holley and extractors and took it to eastern creek and did 18.8, i then rebuilt a 179 bored to 192 with a hot head and 30 70 cam, same carb and exhuast and did 17.0, it was pretty slow but 1.8 seconds quicker is a bit of a change and the 192 was legal, the 202 wasnt and if you want the longer stroke how does anyone know what crank you have in a 179 or 186, your 179 could be a 206! also if you use a post 76 202 you have to run the pollution stuff, the black block would be the best of the bunch if you didnt have to run the pollution stuff. id go for a 179-186, 202 makes more power but in a lighter car the longer stroke isnt as important as it would be in something like a HQ.

202 crank machined down to fit in a 186 block is your best way around it if you want the extra cubes