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Title: B pillar anchor point Post by: crowbar on August 07, 2012, 03:33:15 PM Has anyone got the measurement for the upper b pillar seat belt anchor point for a fe/fc Holden with standard bench seat
My engineer states that he wants it as per the national code of practice for modified vehicles Page 16 http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx I am having trouble understanding it and it costs me big money everytime I get him So hopefully someone on this forum will have the answer for me Cheers Haydn Title: Re: B pillar anchor point Post by: Ed on August 07, 2012, 04:37:51 PM Haydn,
The Guidelines states you can use a barrel bolt type arrangement for an upper mount, which goes through the pillar. otherwise, the requirement asks for a backing plate with an area of 3750mm2. so in real terms translates to a plate (min) of 2 inches (50mm) by 3 inches (75mm). 50 x 75 = 3750mm2 thickness of plate should be 3 - 4mm and corners rounded with 5mm radius. If you are uncertain of what to do, you could try calling your local authorised seat restraint fitting station, and perhaps ask if they would sell you a bolt kit which meets this spec, or maybe even fit the belts for you. I last purchased a seat belt from Rare Spares for another car and it came complete with compliant plates , bolts, washers and instructions. Hope this helps. Ed Title: Re: B pillar anchor point Post by: FCRB26 on August 07, 2012, 06:15:41 PM And must be 7/16 unf thread.
Title: Re: B pillar anchor point Post by: Trevor_B on August 07, 2012, 06:26:50 PM Recent advice I recieved from a mechanic in the VIC Club is that the barrel bolt approach in the B Pillar is no longer acceptable as part of the RWC review.
If you want more info please PM me for contact details of that member. Cheers, Trevor_B Title: Re: B pillar anchor point Post by: ehsv6 on August 07, 2012, 07:39:18 PM I think you will find the barrel bolt is OK as long as it is 7/16 and cut to the correct length so the pillar is not crushed when tightened, a lot of older bolts are smaller and are not anti crush. Available from Hemco in Ballarat. My engineer was quite happy with them but I had to dismantle to show him size. Although this was 3 years ago there was similar advice floating around. All other points were plates as described also available from Hemco with welded nut and plated.
Title: Re: B pillar anchor point Post by: crowbar on August 07, 2012, 07:41:35 PM Thanks Gents
I have already welded in all the other anchor points as per specifications mentioned It is just the upper b pillar that I am stuck with the correct position The specs do not have measurements just angles etc As I am not a mathematician I was hoping that another forum member had gone through the same and could possibly give me a measurement down from the roof gutter or whatever If worst comes to the worst I will have to get my engineer to calculate it Title: Re: B pillar anchor point Post by: earlyholdenfan on August 07, 2012, 08:00:17 PM Crowbar, one of the reasons they give you angles rather than actual heights from set vehicular points, is the various seating that you MAY have, buckets bench etc - each one will have a different "angle" in relation to height of the mounting point when fitted.
if you have worked out your final seating - then it may make it a little easier to find that elusive "spot" M@ Title: Re: B pillar anchor point Post by: Harv on August 08, 2012, 10:43:16 AM I can understand why some engineers, restraint fitting stations and roadworthy inspectors are not happy with barrel bolts. A 7/16"UNF bolt head has a surface area of just 235mm2... around 6% of the minimum area the NCOP (and NSW RTA) reccomends. A plate behind the pillar will hold 16 times the load that the bolts will before shearing though the pillar skin.
Having said that, barrel bolts are damn common practice, and I have never seen (or heard of) any barrel bolts pulling out in an accident. Anyone ever seen this happen? Cheers, Harv |