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Title: Security
Post by: Glenn 'Stinky' Stankevicius on August 15, 2010, 08:38:10 PM
Does anyone have any tips for beefing up security with FE/FCs? Of course I will be careful where I go and when, but there will be times when I have to leave the car parked in public and would like some assurance that it will at least be a little harder to steal than a stockie.


Title: Re: Security
Post by: Just40 on August 15, 2010, 10:15:46 PM
rottweiler on front seat. 8)


Title: Re: Security
Post by: FCRB26 on August 16, 2010, 08:17:05 AM
i use to take the rotor button out of the dizzy.


Title: Re: Security
Post by: Just40 on August 16, 2010, 08:22:51 AM
on my fc wagon i have a nasco gear lock, other than that nothing on them. i have thought of putting in kill switches but like you said stinky i watch where and when i leave any of my cars.


Title: Re: Security
Post by: mc54 on August 16, 2010, 09:38:11 AM

This is what I have in mine - a $10 battery isolator from Repco. Very simple but when you remove it the post looks more or less like a normal negative battery terminal.
The only drawback is that you lose all your radio settings, but I figure that is a small price to pay for a bit of security.

(http://fcholden59.bigblog.com.au/data/5/28811/image/battery2189888324663871929120100816093031.jpg)

(http://fcholden59.bigblog.com.au/data/5/28811/image/battery3445724538181474818920100816093031.jpg)

(http://fcholden59.bigblog.com.au/data/5/28811/image/battery162129464469336087620100816093031.jpg)

Regards
Mike


Title: Re: Security
Post by: EffCee on August 16, 2010, 09:54:51 AM
This is what I have in mine - a $10 battery isolator from Repco. Very simple but when you remove it the post looks more or less like a normal negative battery terminal.
The only drawback is that you lose all your radio settings, but I figure that is a small price to pay for a bit of security.

(http://fcholden59.bigblog.com.au/data/5/28811/image/battery2189888324663871929120100816093031.jpg)

(http://fcholden59.bigblog.com.au/data/5/28811/image/battery3445724538181474818920100816093031.jpg)

(http://fcholden59.bigblog.com.au/data/5/28811/image/battery162129464469336087620100816093031.jpg)

Regards
Mike

If you were to run a separate wire before the isolator to the radio, you wouldn't lose your settings..... Still wouldn't be able to start the car.

Keith


Title: Re: Security
Post by: FCRB26 on August 16, 2010, 10:12:23 AM
My Fe has a battery isolator its all bakerlite and very old i was told it was a factory option is this correct?>???

Looks similar to the green one above.


Title: Re: Security
Post by: Glenn 'Stinky' Stankevicius on August 16, 2010, 10:12:46 AM
Thanks Mike and Keith (and everyone else, I used to do the dizzy rotor thing when I had my Torrie, I also did it to mate's Torries  ;D ),
I actually have one of those isolators that I was supposed to fit to our ride-on mower but never got around to it  ::)


Title: Re: Security
Post by: jack_fc on August 16, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Stinky, I have the same isolator as Mike and a seperate wire for the cd as Keith suggested. Works fine, specially as my battery is in the (locked) boot.
I also have another hidden switch inside that isolates power to the electric fuel pump even when the battery is turned on.
Have also removed the H/T lead from the coil sometimes as an added precaution...
Unfortunately, determined tea leaves can still just put your car on a truck/trailer if they really want it  ::) :'(

cheers, jack



Title: Re: Security
Post by: jack_fc on August 16, 2010, 10:48:57 AM

A friend in Darwin who owned a particularly nice car had a sticker made up for the drivers quarter vent window -

           "the owner of this car is probably watching it through a telescope...

                                   FITTED TO A .308 RIFLE"



Title: Re: Security
Post by: Glenn 'Stinky' Stankevicius on August 16, 2010, 01:28:35 PM
Unfortunately, determined tea leaves can still just put your car on a truck/trailer if they really want it  ::) :'(

As I found out at the start of this caper, locked car parked in front of the servo, the Towie I booked just loaded it up and didn't need to wait for me to arrive with the keys  :-\


Title: Re: Security
Post by: EffCee on August 16, 2010, 04:00:59 PM
As I found out at the start of this caper, locked car parked in front of the servo, the Towie I booked just loaded it up and didn't need to wait for me to arrive with the keys  :-\

Well if you don't like Rotweillers then how about one of these

(http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/47627/2076939450060682858S600x600Q85.jpg) ($2)



Title: Re: Security
Post by: EffCee on August 16, 2010, 04:03:59 PM
Seriously, the best idea is a hidden switch to an electric fuel pump or the ignition or something like that, at least it will stop the joy riders, but you might not have much luck against the professionals

Keith


Title: Re: Security
Post by: Damo58 on August 16, 2010, 07:18:33 PM
Effcee I think he looks to cute to be scary i would want to get in just to give him a pat

                                                     Cheers Damo58


Title: Re: Security
Post by: EffCee on August 16, 2010, 08:02:56 PM
Damo,

You would be licked to death......


Title: Re: Security
Post by: EKjimmy on August 16, 2010, 08:24:44 PM
If this is for the fc van you should maybe put a lock on the passenger door for starters  :D
 My ignition coil is moved inside the cabin on the inside of the firewall hidden by a sheet (which was originally going to be a trimming board under the dash-never got around to it)
 The ignition has several isolator switches and is in the ashtray compartment, and central locking isolates battery power as well when the doors are locked.
 Not unstealable-but really not many cars are with the right stuff. It'll slow em down though!

 Ideally if i had the money i'd go with one of those alarms that detects the car being tilted, bumped hard or doors, boot or bonnet being opened. Coil on the inside of the firewall, maybe an isolator switch for starter or coil power, and switch for fuel pump if it was electric.
 Or even better, a shotgun rigged up aimed at a scumbag's head!

Hope this gives you some ideas.
Jimmy


Title: Re: Security
Post by: NosFEratu on August 16, 2010, 09:27:21 PM
wow Sully's a tiny bit bigger than the 1st photo I ever saw of him!  :o :D


Title: Re: Security
Post by: ehsv6 on August 17, 2010, 04:46:31 PM
You never stop the professionals, but in a similar idea to effcee, you can fit a electric fuel cutoff relay (used on LPG conversions) at the tank, have a hidden switch to turn it on/off, take power from anything thats switched on with the ignition, this will allow the car to be started but will quickly run out of fuel.  The switch could be in the boot, only need to use it when your not happy with where you park. A tad inconvenient if you forget to turn it on but, but its a fairly simple to do.


Title: Re: Security
Post by: Glenn 'Stinky' Stankevicius on August 17, 2010, 05:06:11 PM
I might get the LPG guys to fit a kill switch for the gas when it gets hooked up, it'll be a straight gas setup so it's all good.


Title: Re: Security
Post by: ratbox on August 17, 2010, 05:27:46 PM
i used to have some dodgey associates pretty much all of the above only slowed them down and that was only slightly best defence was chain wrapped around clutch and brake pedals or steering or gearstick
unfortunately if they really want it it will go not even living in it will save it
had a mate that boobey trapped his car and end up in jail for it :o


Title: Re: Security
Post by: 57effie on August 17, 2010, 06:20:24 PM
If they want it nothing will stop them. All you can do is make it hard. Use multiple systems, ie steering/pedal/gear lever locks and battery isolators that are visible as well as hidden systems. Slow them down and make lots of noise and light. If you're running a points ignition, earthing the coil works well. Run a wire from the points side of the coil back to a fuse block (blade fuse is easiest) somewhere else on the car. Tape the wiring up so its less conspicuous. Run the wire thru the fuse block and to earth away from the block. With the fuse out motor runs, fuse in shorts out coil, no spark no go. A fuse block with a fuse in it is less obvious than a switch in a strange place, and all you have to have is a spare fuse. This buys time. As for noise and light, there are lots of good systems on the market. Best system will have its own battery and include motion and noise sensors, and normally open and closed switch circuits. Trouble with proprietry systems is some one has figuered out how to get around them. If you put a system together yourself you have an element of unknown. Dont go advertising the fact that you have more elaborate security, advertising will give them a heads up and time to think about how to get around it. Best they found out the hard way, most likely they will cut and run at any noise and light.


Title: Re: Security
Post by: Jonno on August 17, 2010, 06:43:08 PM
at least you can find it again once it is nicked:

http://www.rojone.com.au/ezitrak_gps_vehicle_tracking.html


although I am not sure what their definition of 'low cost' is?

Jonno


Title: Re: Security
Post by: 57effie on August 17, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
had a mate that boobey trapped his car and end up in jail for it :o
I new a bloke that used to race stock cars at the speedway. He'd spend the week preparing his car and fuel it up friday ready for saturday night. The car lived on a trailer on a vacant block next to his house. He got sick of it having the fuel milked so one friday night he took the socket off the end of an extension lead and screwed the live wire to the car. He never had lost any more fuel after that. When I asked him what he would have done if he woke up the next morning to find a body lying beside the trailer he said quite casually " I'd have roled up the lead and put it away, then called for an ambulance. For all I know he just had a heart attack"


Title: Re: Security
Post by: ratbox on August 17, 2010, 08:38:12 PM
my mates boobey trap made a big bang which allerted the neighbours to the guy with the badly f#%ked up foot  :o

it used to be safe to have an old car (no money in them) but now with increasing values seems the theives have twigged and now unfortunately they're not so safe :(


Title: Re: Security
Post by: 57effie on August 18, 2010, 04:25:26 PM
softer targets. easier to get into, started and gone.


Title: Re: Security
Post by: Gary C on August 18, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
Do what the parking cops do, wheel clamp.
Even if you got the cars keys you cant move and a great visual deterent, 2 minutes to fit, no wiring.
Start your own franchise importing wheel clamps for "unlockable cars".

Gary C


Title: Re: Security
Post by: ratbox on August 22, 2010, 01:01:30 PM
Do what the parking cops do, wheel clamp.
Even if you got the cars keys you cant move and a great visual deterent, 2 minutes to fit, no wiring.
Start your own franchise importing wheel clamps for "unlockable cars".

Gary C

that's one of the best solutions depending on how hard it is to remove the clamp (by the thief) no matter what you do a car that can't roll is the hardest to steal