FE-FC Holden Discussion Forum

Hi all,

My FE still has the original all numbers plates, all rego'ed up and in SA. Can the Rego details including plate number be transfered to another party being me. The car is registered to my mother inlaw (not that it's a problem), and we were told that the only way to get the transfered across was by will. when we get round to joining will it be a hassle for paperwork and the likes if it stays in her name??

Thanks in advance for the answers.

Will

I am not going to make any comments on the win-win situation here, no, not one  ;D.

Really a question for Dept of Trans, but my understanding is that standard plates go with the car. DoT are making a killing on the sale of all number plates though so it would be best to check with them.
Historic Rego will most likely be a problem if the car is not in your name, unless you get the Historic Rego for your mother in law  ;)

Now that had crossed my mind JOD3AN, but i actually get along with her really well.

Thanks stinky, figured i'd ask here and see if anyone has been down this road before first. I will make a trip down to 'Service SA' with her and see whats what.

Thanks for the help guys.

Will

Unfortunately money talks these days, all black/white numbered plates go to auction no if buts or maybe's,unless as you stated they are left to you via a will.Bought several cars with b/w plates can not transfer. Been down this track a few times,they used to cost $650 now its auction only they release pamphlets before auction time.Contact revenue SA for more details.
cheers
Scott

Wow, and I thought the NSW RTA were highway robbers as far as number plates were concerned. That really sucks.

Before we originaly got the FE back on the road we filled out a form holding the plates to the vehicle for 5 years as they were luckily still available and the original (before the rules changed) owner (mother inlaw) was still alive. I will call in and see them and see what my options are, problem is even the clerks rarely know what the rules are and they end up making their own rules or just say NO to covr their asses. I guess, once it is off the road i'll do the same again, was only $100 for the 5 years so it's not to bad.

Just looked at the auction side of things as collecta mentioned. It is a sad site to see, 40 plates up for auction, 2nd May at the adelaide convention center. http://www.dtei.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/46027/Number_Plate_Auction_Catalogue.pdf ($2)


Will

I would have thought if the original plates are on the original car and are to remain so, you could keep them?

if it were NSW besides taking the plates off you they'de then charge you for the replacements awell ;)

I know that if the car has been deregistered you have to hand the plates back and things become more difficult, but if the car is registered and it's just a transfer shouldn't the plates stay the same, when you buy a registered car in Qld. the plates come with it.
               Pedro

Unfortunately, Will is in SA and the way that SA deals with the old white on black numeric plates on transfer of car ownership is exactly as Collecta has stated.

So Will's options are very limited if he really wants a white on black numeric plate for his car. It's either keep the car registered in his mother-in-law's name until she departs this world (ensuring it's included in the will) - or - purchase one at auction (he'll then have proprietary rights enabling him to transfer it to any vehicle he owns at any time).

Sounds like a typical govt. scam to bleed every last dollar out of us that they can, do you have to pay for your personalised plates every year down there like in NSW.
                     Pedro

Let me put it as nicely as I can in relation to your question about the wanker personalised plates........ never had one, never will have one - so - don't know and don't care! :D

Lucky we didn't get you a set of them instead then isn't it :P :D :D
                         Pedro

you can bet your sweet bippy on that!  ;D ;D ;D

I am not asking bout personalised plates in any way shape or form, these were issued to the car when purchased new.

Will

wow , thats b/s  :o....... i have my original "B"  black /yellow number plates for my 59 fc that was my first car and still own after 25years,  transfered to another car that has full rego, few years back for its annual inspection the inspector  said that i may have to get my original plates remade due to paint fade...well i never been back to him!....i have previously on other plates repainted em, and with time you can make them look like new ...but its illegle and i can get a on the spot fine .....would you believe i now  have polished  and have waxed my  original "b" nuber plates to look betta...things we do....

trust me, you wouldn't be the only one!  ;)  It also helps when cleaning bugs off them too!

Hi Will - sorry but it seems you may have misinterpreted who my response was to.... Pedro had questioned what happened in SA in relation to personalised plates - sometimes threads can take a bit of a left turn and go slightly off topic.  I'm well aware that you were wanting to retain the original numeric plates. 

I was curious though about your original post including something about "joining" and if it was to be an "issue" if the car was registered in another name..... plenty of people have cars registered in other's names for many different reasons - as long as you and the "owner" have a solid agreement then it shouldn't be a problem.  Same goes with insurance companies - but make sure that all the details on your policy clearly show where it is housed all the time, who the "allowable" drivers are etc so there are no problems in the event of an unfortunate accident.

Kathi

Let's get back to Will's original question:  the car is currently registered with the original number remaining on the car.  This is a completely different situation to buying a plate at auction and the agreement that is signed when the plates are purchased.

The practice in SA is that when a car with the old-style plates is transferred to a new owner, the old number is forfeited and a new-style number (alpha-numeric) is issued.  When I bought Jim 6 years ago, it had the original plates on it. At the time (the rules are now a bit different), all I had to do was get a letter from the previous owner saying he had no further interest in the old number and attach it to the application for the number, pay up my $650- (ouch!! - for nothing!!!), sign a new agreement and I got the number back again.

The problem in Will's case is that as the number has been on the car since new, I really doubt that Ma-in-law would have that current "agreement" form in place. (If you look at the link, you'll see that the agreement includes the right for the owner to transfer rights to the number.)

If she doesn't have that agreement in place, then regardless of whether or not Ma-in-law leaves the car and the plates to Will in her will, I reckon that the Department here will grab the plates when the car is transferred after her death and the only way Will will (no, I'm not stuttering   ;)) be able to keep them is to bid at auction to get them - and I believe (but am not certain) that bidding starts at $2,000-

What a bloody rip off

I hope I'm wrong, Will, but I don't like your chances.  Just keep Ma-in-law alive   :D  :D

And if you take that path (keeping the car registered in her name) and want the car on Historic Vehicle Registration, then Ma-in-law will have to be a member of an authorised club (FE-FC Holden Car Club of SA, for instance)

DO NOT make enquiries about the rules for historic vehicle registration requirements at the Registrar of Motor Vehciles. They will not know.  The Historic Rego scheme in SA is administered by the Federation of Historic Motoring Clubs on behalf of the Department of Transport.  The FE-FC Club is affliated with the Federation.  Talk to your club's Historic Registration representative.

Martin

Sorry NosFEratu, yeah slight misread on my part.
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I have a friend that works in the department, might have to hit her up on some info from the horses mouth so to speak. About one and a half years ago we put a hold on the plates meaning they could not be reasigned and remained with the original owner then re-registered the FE about 9 months ago, still under mum inlaws name. So far so good.

Martin, we consulted a lawyer and they agreed that the plates needed to be in a will stating the number plates are to be bequest to a family member only, so to my wife it goes. Also we sat down and talked all about the terms and conditions on the car, being it will remain my wifes at all times and her brother was informed of these decisions and agreed. But once things are all said and done, who knows. Only time will tell and we shall take every step as it comes.

Will

Hi Will,we are going through this exact same scenario at the moment.Back in 2006 my brother in law and I dragged my father in laws' FJ kicking and screaming from the shed it had been in since 1991 to give it a quick "clean up" for his 80th birthday.When we went to register it (and after a lot of piss farting around) they decided that because he was the original owner and that it still maintained the original plates he could purchase the rights the plates (about $100) and re register it no problem.At that time,if any of the family wanted to buy the rights to the plates it would cost us $650 (all as mentioned so far).Shortly after that the rego dept here in SA changed things (also mentioned) and we were told that to be sure the plates could stay on the car it must be mentioned in a will and only in the will so we told the father in law to be sure of what his plans were for the car and to be sure to put all the details regarding the car and the plates in his will.My father in law passed away peacefully on the 1st of march this year so as soon as we get our copy we will have to head down there and see what happens.Yeah,not a lot of help I know but same situation.I'll let you all know what happens.Cheers,Jamie.

So, Will, you've done all the homework and have got all the answers.  So what is your question about:

When you get around to joining what?  If you're asking about joing the FE-FC Club, then I've answered that from the point of view historic registration. The owner of the car must be a club member. Anybody with an interest in FEs and FCs can join the SA club, whether the person is an owner or not.  Why not join up now?  We are at the beginning of the new club year.  PM me if you want more details about the SA club.

Martin

This is disgraceful. In NSW now since the Gumment appears to have sold the RTAs number plate operation you can't even get a re issued plate in the original yellow and black anymore. You have to buy a black and white one. In the UK you can apply for your car's original plate if you can prove what it was. The restriction is that it can't be transferred to another car, this seems pretty fair to me.

As always, people talk, money screams. No wonder people get disallusioned.

Cheers
John

if the plates attached to the car can be left to you in a will, can they be gifted to you ? seems the same thing

gotta love our governments ::)

In NSW you can transfer number plates (Black & Yellow) between dirrect family such as mother, father sister ,brother. And get this without cost. Just did it today at the RTA. They also said I could have them repressed if i wanted before i put them on a car, for $60. So for a change NSW wins. Some years ago now I transferred the plates from my Dads FE into my name no problem.
Cheers,
Graham

I HAVE JUST HEARD OFF OF A NEIGHBOUR OF MINE THAT WORKS FOR THE RTA IN NSW THAT NUMBER PLATES ARE ABOUT TO BE SOLD TO PRIVATE ENTERPRISE SO WHO KWOWS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS $ WISE AHEAD FOR NSW PLATES

but if they repress them you don't get them in the old style and colour, they come in the crappy new colours with whatever crappy slogan stamped in them only the letters/numbers stay the same

I went to the SA Gopvernment number plate auction today.  White on black numerical - SA's 1st style of plate, until a change to alpha-numeric in the mid-1960s.

Here's what happened:

40 plates were offered at auction: 10 x 3 digit - 10 x 4 digit, 10 x 5 digit and 10 x 6 digit

39 plates were sold - one passed in.

3 digit plates
10 sold.  Highest price paid $15,800, lowest $10,000, average $12,100

4 digit plates
9 sold. Highest $8,400.  Lowest $5,300.  Average $6,700.  The plate that was not sold was passed in at $4,900.  In my opinion it wasn't a special number:  SA 6420.  I'd suggest the reserve was $5,000

5 digit plates
10 sold.  Highest $7,400.  Lowest $3,600.  Average $4,770

6 digit plates
10 sold.  Highest $7,000.  Lowest $3,300.  Average $4,950

What really steams me is that the genuine preservers of SAs motoring history had to bid against wankers with pockets full of money so they could put B&W plates on their Mercs or their Nissan Skylines.

In all, the government grabbed $279,400 (gross) from this sale.

What also steams me is that at least 4 of the numbers sold (e.g. 989-989,  838-838) have never (to my knowledge) been previously issued in SA.  I am happy to be corrected, but I believe that SA numbers never went higher that the 500-000 series (i.e. 599-999)

In my opinion, people who have a genuine interest in a specific number (e.g. the original numer of the car, or it will attach to a car of the relevant period) should be able to acquire the number at a reasonable price.

(Note:  I had no interest in this auction other than as an observer.  I have my B&W plate and don't want another)

Martin

Damn, alot more expensive than i'd ever thought they'd be. We will do everything we can to hold on to these plates. And I agree that the plates should be offered to the original owner/family first, then period specific car owners and the the general public. Either way it goes, like you said it's all bout the money to the government coffers. I could never imagine spending $15800 on number plates let alone $200 plus for personalised plates.  Thanks for the heads up Martin, i'm sure everyone is as suprised.

Will

Been keeping an eye on this post with some interest.

I can't believe the prices people are paying for these plates. Its a simple money grabbing exercise by the government. And I agree with what Martin said in his last post about people wanting to keep the historical integrity of their vehicles and not putting them on modern vehicles.

Will, I wonder if you get your name put on the registration papers as part owner well as retain your mother in laws whether that would be a way around it.

Good luck with it all.

Cheers
Paul

Unfortunately no we cant; the part owner is already the father in-law. The mother in-law will out live him by far (medical reasons thank you). Apparently no change to the registration details can be made except by will, but it was a bit of umming and arrring.  It does not bother me that it is in her name it just makes it harder for all the paperwork, as she has no interest in participating in a club. She is happy to join in her name and maybe one compulsory meet a year, but other than that. Anyway, time is one our side. We shall sit down and talk it all over.

Is there an info pack (SA) available to view or is it only via the web??

Will

Will, 

PM sent.

Martin

Martin,

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Will.

Just an update,after 6 months and a lot of stuffing around Transport SA has finally granted my wife with the ownership of her Dad's (my father in laws) FJ sedan including it's original Numerical SA plates due to it being listed in his will.This is after we took the will into the office and they still maintained there was no guarantee that we would get them.Then we had to send a letter explaining what was in the will plus a copy of the will to Transport SA.Then they finally sent a letter back to my mother in law (ADDRESSED TO MY FATHER IN LAW WHO IS DECEASED!!!!!!!!!!) saying that we had been granted the rights to the plates and transfer of rego! ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) :P :P.It then cost us $200 for the rights which in the whole scheme of things I thought was reasonable.What a bunch of F!#@$%# tools..... Could it possibly be more complicated?????It shows that there is possibly still a minute amount of compasion mixed in with a massive amount of greed and revenue raising in our rego system.One thing I always maintain...You can't teach common sense...Jamie.