FE-FC Holden Discussion Forum

In a recent thread on here, I'm sure you know which it is, solely to do with the Summernats ended up with the usual tedious slagging of "restorers", despite the fact that the word stock or restore was not mentioned in any prior post.

Its happened here before, as soon as someone says something stupid they immediately slag off at "restorers',  as if somehow that justifies their position, all "restorers' as we know being of dubious sexuality, bad parents, Green voters, whatever, you choose.

I'm neither a "restorer" or "modifier", I'm a lifelong car enthusiast and I own cars other than Holdens. It happens that my Holdens are "stock", whatever that means and some of my others are modified, one highly. My motoring life started almost simultaneously with Issue One of Custom Rodder and membership of the Early F**d V8 Club of America when I was about 13. I've ridden motorcycles for 30 years and have the scars to prove it. I have done everything from Club Motorsport, navigational rallies to winnning the Eastern Creek Concours outright. My latest acquistion is a 1958 Victa lawnmower! My point here is simply that I don't know most of my fellow forum members out there and they don't know me. Without a starting point of mutual respect we may as well all go and do something else. For the record, I respect anything executed well, knowing the time,effort and expense involved.

There were around 155,000 FEs produced and 195,000 FCs, probably just about enough for everyone to express their individuality with, so can we please drop all the "restorer" vs "modified" crap and get on with the fellowship of motoring enthusiasm.

Thank you, I'll get off the soapbox now :P

John

Is that a stock or modified soapbox?
 
;D

Touche ;D ;D

It's a perception, because the leash is kept fairly tight after many years of seeing arguments blow out the FE/FC Forum seems to have a reputation with some as being strict or anti-fun even and this for some reason plays back to Restorers. I guess it comes back to the strict rules involved with entering a stock class at any show.
Unless I am mistaken "the leash" is kept tight because the arguments always seem to degenerate to a tirade of insults and nothing constructive comes of it.

Everyone has their own opinion on matters and I have yet to see anything written on a forum that has swayed someone to change theirs.

For those that don't know, you are accountable for what you write on the forum and to some extent so are the Mods and Admins, unlike a conversation in your home the forum is open to anyone on the Internet (except for certain sections of our forum) and if someone chooses to, they can take action over what is written here.
In some cases there have been threats of violence and it's just not what the forum is about, so call me a Restorer if you will  ::)

You had me until this bit, now there are three 'camps' on here. The daggy Restorers, the highly respected and admired modifiers, and the lawnmower owners.

What next, Fiat owners?  ;D

Psssttt... You want a Fiat?

I don't think this is a Restored Vs Modified thing at all its just it's just one person undermining our forum with a few cheap shots it has happened before and unless the moderators do something about it it will continue .........Would that be a Standard Fiat or a Rat Fiat .......FC427.......

this is where the restorers remark was aimed, when i first signed up here i got a few PM's from people saying i wouldn't last long here due to this, so there is a reputation about this forum out there

you people know nothing about me just cause i have ratty cars now mostly due to the fact i'm lazy but i've had hot rods, shinney/showy cars, fast cars and slow cars and i have nothing against stock/restored cars and appreicate them

funny how this stock/restored V's modified thing started over a comment i DIDN'T make about a modified car (even though i could of) the standard of cars was not just me everybody i know including 2 of the judges were of the same opinion

this is the shorter version as the first didn't work for some reason or other ???

As I tried to post I was "warned" that another post had occurred - well after looking at it above me I decided not to change my original post below.  

http://fefcholden.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,13607.0.html

I see a tiny bit of déjà vu here – I’m personally happy for people to express an opinion as long as it’s not derogatory and it doesn’t turn into a slanging match.

On reading it several times, I don’t believe the original comment was made in an effort to detract from the results achieved – I could be wrong but I’m entitled to my opinion.

The comments about the quality of cars reflect what the majority of event attendees on other forums have said.  I can appreciate though that some might interpret it as a sly shot despite the earlier comment “not that it’s not a good car….”.  Again, all open to interpretation which is usually based on past interactions.

As for what eventuated afterwards well…..cyber conversations can be a little emotional and things are “said” that may be regretted later unless you have the ability to reflect and edit (BTW moderators, that function seems to have disappeared again).

Anyway, getting back to the restored vs modified - I’m a car enthusiast and, while I can appreciate all styles of cars and their uses, I have my favourites and will always be biased towards my preferences – just like everyone else!

Mmm, I can see it now, matt black Toppolino with a big block and white walls!  

Geez, I'm confused, and I think I might need professional help. :-[ :-[
 I'm told my FC is "modified" (I think - depends on your definition), but I like to think of it as a mild custom (very mild!).
So far, so good, eh?
But heres the sick bit - I really like stockies; the nostalgia experienced when driving/riding in a stocky is just bloody wonderful in my opinion.
Is there any hope for me? Would 'councelling' help me? Is this condition terminal? Is there no place for me on this forum?
Seeing as I cant have one of each type - FE, FC, stocky, modified, custom, ute, van, sedan, wagon; should I just sell my FC and buy a maroon auto Mazda Metro 121???    :( :( :(

please help me
thank you in anticipation
regards, jack

You need to get rid of that grey interior Jack, that's your problem  :P  ;D

And no Mazdas Jack - apparently we're all gunna be getting Fiats!!

Can I have a Bambino that matches the Toppolino too?  :D

Is it an FE...
Is it an FC...

Is it as far away from the metal recyclers as possible...

Then really who cares whether its modified or not... It has a chance of getting back on the road and to keep our wonderful cars and our hobby alive!!!

Its really that simple.

Arrrrggghh!!
I've just about had a gutfull of this "Fiat vs Mazda" shite

Anyone want to buy a classy two-tone grey leather/vinyl interior?
In very good nick; back seat never been used (only ever been sat upon)
(note, Glenn, I said SAT upon, not shat upon - some people HAVE done the latter...)   ;D ;D ;D

Oh,come on, you lot; STOP IT!!

This thread is for serious shit-slinging between the 'modified' and 'restored' camps, isn't it???

Yes?

No?

Hmmm; maybe, just maybe, most of us dont give a rodents rectum, just as long as its FE or FC...

Now you've gone and posted before me and stuffed up my flow!

FC427 - I've had some experience in the back - isn't that right Jack?  ;) And I appreciate some may have done the latter when you're driving Jack (don't let Rita read that), but I've always loved the acceleration kick back ever since I started driving my big block FE series 132.5!  :P

I hate to say this - but I'm enjoying this thread!  :D

Hmmm; maybe, just maybe, most of us dont give a rodents rectum, just as long as its FE or FC...
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Oh, fair go, Kathi! My driving is surely not rectum-dilating...   An old fart like me?  Whose last driving offence was an on-the-spot fine for speeding (only a little bit...) in 1982? Whose licence has always been demerit point-free? Whose next vehicle will almost certainly be one of them battery- powered carts?

And another thing; if you couldn't handle the acceleration of the mighty grey in my FC, (I heard you shrieking in the back seat - or was that giggling??  ::)  as the speedo crept slowly past 35 mph) then I suggest you stay right away from BB equipped vettes.
That, or else remove at least half the plug leads

and when I mentioned  "putting shit on my seats", I was referring to comments on the seat COLOUR, not as in caused by my "seniors card" driving style, and most certainly not as a result of the somewhat sedate acceleration generated by the trusty grey...
(although it does go a little bit better since I've become a "modifier" and added the twin overhead interior lights together with the straight-thru glovebox. I'm going to paint the lower edge of the boot mat black and put reflectors on the mudflaps next - it's sure to go like shit out of a shanghai after that!)

um, hang on a sec, maybe the reflectors on the mudflaps are a "custom" thing...

stop slanging fiats!
do they know what a toppolino is??????????????????????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

easiest solution for me cause I can,t walk past a good stockie and love modified
I have my stockie nearly finished and another which will be modified simple solution,ps some cars should,nt be modified i,e low mileage one owner cars just my opinion
regards mal

I know exactly what a Toppolino is - we seriously considered buying one and radically modifying it for street use (not as a drag car as they often are) about 15 years ago!  :P  :D

Yep, Kathi, I can almost imagine what you and John could do with a Toppolino!!  :o :D ;D

Sooooo, after the van and the vette are finished?????

Geez, that would be just something else!   

  By the way, the very idea of it reminds me of the lime green Morris Minor at the recent local rod run...  It was named "Minor Changes".  The 850cc engine had been replaced with a slightly larger and more modern engine. I'm no expert on yank engines, but it looked suspiciously like a 454 to me...

bring back emu vs kiwi shite fights i say  ;D ;D

^^^

What he said.  ;D

Of the green Morris with the extra cylinders?

Restored Vs Modified, the solution is so simple, just have one of each

Ok guys knock yourselves out..... ;D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1936-1937-GASSER-HOT-STREET-RAT-ROD-FORD-1932-RATROD_W0QQitemZ260342435354QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item260342435354&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308

Cheers
John

At least you get full air conditioning with it.

Keith

or this maybe? Ebay Item # 250355912481

AND TELL THEM JOE THE GADGET MAN SENT YOU  :P :P........FC427........

You cut me deep with that one Stinky :'(

C'mon John, I can see it now at the next Kustom Nationals in the "Rat-mower" section, it already has the red steelies and white walls and just check out that patina!

forgive me for I have sinned.

My last three projects have been restorations.

restored wooden garden bench

restored wooden sun lounge

restored 1960's metal and wooden table.

please forgive me.

Ed

no forgiveness will be forthcoming for you, Ed, you bloody traitor!   ;)

may you burn in ever-lasting ghost flames

Some things are just meant to be restored and some are just meantbto be modified, Like who would ever restore a fiat topolino or a 40-41 willys coupe. On the other hand who would modify a mid 30's Packard, or a a Stutz Bearcat or a Cord 812 or even an Auburn of any type.

FE's and FC's look great nicely restored or modified

A bit of deja vu  ::), didn't we have this conversation last year or is it the rum, while i was reading i had to keep checking the dates to make sure i had it right ??? :D :D
                                                      Pedro

Ahhh, some things need to be dagged off the shelf, dusted off and given another go from time to time...

Keith

Has this ever been discussed before?  Would be pretty sure it hasn't, so here is my question.......

Which is better FC or FE?   :P

Ok, ok, I am now quickly exiting the area of the computer before I get rocks and bottles thrown my way. Also covering my eyes so I can't read the forthcoming abuse. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Sorry can't help myself :-* 


  (By the way,   FC) ;)

Ahhh, Another good topic coming to light, the Good Ol FE vs FC argument,

I am sure, seeing as hown this one has done a few laps, that everyone by now would know that the FE stands for First Edition and the FC stands for First Class

(Lights Fuse, Stands well back)

All this makes one ponder....Motor or Engine....Hmmm.

Dean.

LOL, here we go again ;D ;D

  The previous topic was removed as it got a little heated ;) :D :D
                                    Pedro

Engine



 8)

anyway who cares
i feel worn out reading this

After just reading RET's "here's the thing", I finally have to agree with RET that there is too much jibberish in this post for the main board, maybe it would be better to move it to around the keg, then we can continue our mindless banter without offending the general public, the new format seems to be working really well, there are a lot more people talking now, after being offline for a few weeks i'm actually finding it hard to catch up and apart from the one recurring disagreement everybody seems happy.
                                               Pedro

Hey Guys,
I cant understand what all the fuss is about, why dont you all just get out and enjoy what you have no matter what it is or how its done, its a common interest we share ??? ??? isnt it ??? ???
Impala :)