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Title: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: gree on December 21, 2002, 04:34:16 PM i know this isn't an fc, but it was alomost a holden. has everyone seen the EF?
(sorry about the fold!) (http://photo.starblvd.net/~gree/2-1-3.jpg) (http://photo.starblvd.net/~gree/2-1-4.jpg) this was to be the next model after the eh before detroit took over the styling to produce the HD. it was also when the naming code was dropped from the model names. the code worked as below: (http://photo.starblvd.net/~gree/2-2-1.jpg) the HD was named after the american managing director of GMH at the time, Hegland, David. they decided to go with random letters after that. so it says in my magazine thingy anyway! Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: 2brite on December 22, 2002, 07:20:26 AM Hey there gree,ive got this photo some where and im glad they didn't go ahead in making this model.
Looks like a car that was designed in the USSR Regards 2brite Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: slim on December 22, 2002, 10:21:43 AM It looks like a Zephyr :o Very ugly car indeed.
Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: HARKO on December 22, 2002, 01:15:47 PM ;DOh Yeah thats better , ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Nah still dont like it.
Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: slim on December 23, 2002, 07:54:09 AM SEX is such a powerful tool, I dont mind it as much now. ;D
Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: RET on December 23, 2002, 09:14:48 AM We all think it's ugly, but let's face it, the HD is hardly an object of high art either, is it? If they had built this thing instead of the HD, we'd all be quite used to it's lines, and think nothing of it.
And EF clubs are only slightly rarer than HD-HR ones..... ;D RET Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: mcl1959 on December 23, 2002, 11:50:24 AM Gree - I think the code has the "A" next to the "B" and the "0" after the "9" - it makes more sense this way. The code gives the year the protoype was built.
Ken Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: gree on December 23, 2002, 12:20:25 PM hey ken,
you'd know better than me, i scanned it out of a book! ;D Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: 4hammers on January 01, 2003, 11:22:00 AM Hi Gree.
I think your Magazine may be wrong about what HD stands for. Looking at that car, I reckon it means "Hurriedly Designed"!!!! URGHHHH! Rob Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: FE_225 on January 01, 2003, 11:31:10 AM I always thought HD stood for " Highly Dangerous" and the new HR was a "Hurried Recovery" ;D
Cheers Tony Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: customFC on January 02, 2003, 12:06:04 PM Hey why are you guys pickin' on the HD / HR's for.
Let me change the subject....AU Falcon. Regards Alex Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: normd on January 02, 2003, 01:09:05 PM HEY ALEX
AS A FORD DRIVER .......................... ..> (small print)>>> I have to agree :-[ Norm Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: Hotlips on January 03, 2003, 12:57:22 AM ;D ;D Hi there, I personally think that if those early photos of the HD were actually produced into cars it would have been a Huge Disaster. Anyway all Holdens look good to me (FE/FC's are superior though) and I do have a passion for HK monaro's, preferably the Bathurst model. Nevermind one day I might get to own one. But on the subject of Holdens I am very disappointed (and I am putting this so politely!!!) with the VY model. I am sure an enemy of Holden's (probably a FORD lover) infiltrated the designer's drawing board and purposely made the car look like a piece of sh.. :-X.. shonky work. The VX was sooo much better - so let's hope they clear out their staff and get a better looking model next time!!! Cheers HOTLIPS ;)
Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: RET on January 03, 2003, 02:03:28 AM Kathy,
I disagree with you on both fronts :-* It's very easy to say with the benefit of hindsight that this car was a crock and no-one would buy such an ugly thing. Where the EH was all straight lines and hard angles, this car softens some of these, whilst retaining some of the EH shape (esp. the bumpers and the C pillar area). Now the EH deserves to be a classic, and the HD is widely derided for its poor handling and styling, so who's to say that if this car had seen production that it would have been worse than the one that did? The real HD was a sales disaster, but it's a shape we all recognise as a Holden. As I said earlier in a previous post, if the HD never existed and the EF was built, we'd all be just as used to it and think nothing of its shape. It's just the unfamiliarity with it that makes it 'not a Holden'. I'm sure in 1960 people said "It just looks like a three year old Chevy! Honey they shrunk the '57!" But the FB still sold well, and is remembered fondly. And as far as the VY is concerned, I've heard a few people say this, and I don't understand it. I own a VT, and I did like the VX facelift. I also like the VY. I can see similarities to Camry headlights and Magna taillights that people talk about, but so what? The whole package is still unmistakably a Commodore. What is it you don't like about it? Just my 2c worth ;D RET Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: Hotlips on January 03, 2003, 02:40:43 AM Hi Richard, I don't know whether I gave the wrong impression :-[ but I like the HD the way it came out (& the HR). I just didn't like the prototype models (they do look like a cross between a Zodiac / Vauxhall) ???. I also agree that if they did come out that way, we would have got used to them, but like all great designs until the "right" one appeals to the designers, the prototypes are sent back to the drawing board.
Greg and I also own a VT wagon and think it is great. We both thought the VX was fantastic too but I am disappointed with the grill and the back end - yes it does look like a Magna :P but I doooo luvvvv the new Monaro as well :) ;) :D ;D. Cheers HOTLIPS Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: RET on January 03, 2003, 03:40:44 AM Quote ...but I like the HD the way it came out So, there's Ray Warren (FE-HR ACT) and you as well?! You guys should start a club ;) Quote but I doooo luvvvv the new Monaro as well :) ;) :D ;D. Me too - I'm just waiting for the mid-life crisis to kick in so I have an excuse to indulge myself 8). There's a purple one coming out late this month, my wife's favourite colour....... :-* RET Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: 4hammers on January 03, 2003, 04:03:07 AM Hi all.
I wasn't too sure about the new Commodore either when it first appeared ???, but now I love it ;D. My work is planning on getting me a new car, & have asked what I wanted. I put the Monaro first ;D, & Green SS ute second :D & an SS sedan third :). That was a month ago. Everytime he sees me, he smiles & shakes his head. I have a sneaking suspicion I will get a bloody Hyundai, but, it was worth a try. :-/ All mid bodied Holdens are cool (FE FC are the COOLEST!!), but as for the public accepting that EF prototype, I reckon it would have been as popular as the Brabham Torana :o Rob Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: RET on January 03, 2003, 04:51:08 AM Brabham Torana - ah yes, the Starfire Commodore of its day. Both the Brabham and Torana names are diminished by that dreadful car.
But if you want to talk about bad Holdens, you really can't go past the Piazza for bone-ugliness :P and all-round ordinariness :(, although the Camira (JB?) that had a catalytic converter and ran on Super would have to be up there. cheers RET Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: craiga on January 03, 2003, 05:39:48 AM Be careful what you say about the Brabham Torana. If someone out there loves HD's then I'm allowed to like this pinnacle of Australian motoring history.
This powerhouse is one of my personal favourites, along with the Leyland Marina :-[ Cheers, Craig Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: mcl1959 on January 03, 2003, 11:26:32 AM While we're talking about prototypes, what about the FE prototypes?
They all look weird and ugly now - but as Rich says. If that is what had been built we'd all be driving them now and loving them. Ken Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: customFC on January 03, 2003, 01:00:37 PM Did someone say FE prototype??
Here is one of the earlier ones. Want to see others? Regards Alex Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: Hotlips on January 03, 2003, 11:25:50 PM :o :o OOHHH!!! SOOOO BAAADD!!!! IF UGLY WINS A TROPHY THIS WOULD WIN!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: RET on January 03, 2003, 11:43:16 PM I'm building YaBB boards for the NSW AHD team, and they've asked for the Poll extension to be included. So I've decided to add it to our boards as well, and thought this thread was as good a place to start one off as any.
Using it is pretty self-explanatory. At this stage any logged in member can create a poll, and the user can choose whether guests can participate, and whether results are hidden until the poll is closed etc. Who knows? We might be able to get that Photoshop Comp off the ground ;) cheers RET Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: Cat on January 04, 2003, 12:32:36 AM Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...I'm just imagining the protoype in poo colour! Not even Craig could love that! ;D
PS. What are the others like? Is this an earler one or a later one? I guess it would be easy to see a progression towards what they finally became. Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: RET on January 10, 2003, 10:45:17 PM Well, after a week of polling it seems the majority don't think the EF was that crash-hot.
Thanks everyone for your input, and I guess on that market research it's just as well Holden never got past the clay model on that one ;) cheers RET Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: HARKO on January 11, 2003, 02:18:20 PM So my word is Kathy try to look outside the square,
When they designed the EJ it carried mainly curves to its bodylines and Holden were looking ahead to square up the shape and follow with USA trends. so the car in between the square HD and the smooth EJ had to flow the bodylines into the next generation ,hence the EH carried a rounded front with a squarer rear . So try to look ahead with the new model and see where Holden are headed ,The VY may be EJ 40 years ahead and next years model will be an instant succes story as the EH was in its day ,Hey they cant get perfection with every attempt but then again Ford cant fail every year either. ;) Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: HARKO on January 12, 2003, 05:25:29 AM Heres a few FE prototypes dated 1953 ,3 years before release ,Can see a lot of pommie influence in the body lines
Title: Re: i know it isn't an fc, but..... Post by: slim on January 13, 2003, 10:23:30 AM At least these 3 arent as bad as that first one. Thank god they came to there senses
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