tubeless or not ?

[surferboy]

when using standard 13'' rims

do i need tubes in a bridgestone turanza 185/70 tubless tyre ?



Different tyre experts (using the term VERY loosely !) have said yes AND no   

These are the "experts" at BOB JANE T MARTS who......
take 3 hours to do 2 tyres
throw a wet dirty spare onto your new carpeting
ignore their own signs saying how they protect your property, and throw your chrome hubcaps on the concrete floor
overcharge you because they forgot to write down the quoted discount price
can't explain why the iPod isn't working as it was before they had the car
don't fit hubcaps on properly, so they come off and get lost on the drive home
who at one shop can't understand why the tubeless tyres have tubes in them
and remove them
and who at a second shop can't understand why you don't have tubes on 1958 type rims
and put them back in
 
and then
after you have sent a long nasty email to head office
 offer  you a "free cup of coffe"(or something just as ridiculous) when you come back to purchase your next set of tyres !

 

[fe-ambo]

Don't you like coffee?? 

Cheers
Paul

[mcl1959]

You should not need tubes on any FE or FC rim as they were originally tubeless.  Having said that, the rims with rivets have been known to leak air and can benefit from having a tube in them unless you specifically go round inside the rim with a sealant compound to stop them leaking. Also check for rust pitting around the rim where the tyre seals as this will also let air out.

Ken

[stapla]

Is there 2 different valve sizes for FE/FC's rims ?  I have 4 with smaller holes, and 1 with a bigger valve hole.

Cheers
Peter.

[zulu]

Surferboy, I have an FE that has had Tubeless Cross ply Tyres on it for the last 20 plus years, slow leak at 1 wheel

Peter, I think the larger hole may be FE wheel & possibly early FC, hopefully some tyre places still carry the larger hole type tubless stem

Cheers, Gary

[gp]

If I remember correctly, it was about 1955 (FJ) that Holden went to tubeless tyres (ex-factory). I have never used tubes in any of my cars over the last 27 odd years & never had an issue because of it.

I've been told that running tubes will increase the likelihood of a blowout, because of the extra heat created by friction of the tube rubbing against the tyre as it turns.

Just my 2 bobs worth.

Cheers,

Graham

[mcl1959]

FE and early FC use the large valve hole - I have the original plastic adaptors to fit a late tube to the early rim after the fat valve tubes were no longer made.

Ken

[mcl1959]

If running tubeless they have valves which will fit the large hole.

Ken

[surferboy]

What is a reasonable price i can expect to pay ( and then chase compensation from the dipsticks who can't put hubcaps on properly) for a good quality FC hubcap ?

Graham, one "expert (?)" said the same, tubes in tubeless tyres could cause problems
            Then another "expert (?)" says they should have tubes
                          Who do you believe ??
and none of these "experts (?)" has ever mentioned valve or valve hole sizes. ( I expect thats because they wouldn't have a clue !)

Think I might contact Bridgestone and get their opinion

After Bob Jane T Mart fitted my last set of tyres
I found that......
I had 2 tyres with slow leaks.....thats why tubes were suggested originally
and 2 never leaked.
then we found 3 were tubeless and 1 had a tube, and the spare had a tube (but that leaked  )

just wondering...... would the rim/lip  of the wheel have an obvious profile that would make it clear even to blind Freddy whether a tube or tubeless tyre is required  ?

Ta
 

[Martin]

Hey Surferboy,

When will you learn?  It sounds like you keep going back to Bob Janes.  I've gotta ask "Why?"

I gave that mob of morons away years ago

Martin

[ridgey_didge]

For what its worth - notice that the FE in the ad in the topic http://fefcholden.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,17130.msg103427.html#msg103427
is said to come with tubeless tyres.

Cheers
David

[Gary C]

Surferboy, as stated earlier tubeless rims do fail with age . its a roll of the dice. I dont have experience with old car rims but I have spent a lot of money on heavy machinery rims that are tubeless and now require tubes. Im pretty sure your rims have rivets and rivets  do fail ( Titanic).Its up to you mate,two with two without, by the time you get to Orange and back you might have an answer but I doubt it, too many variables. Just my two bobs worth,Thanks
Gary C.