FE-FC Holden Discussion Forum

This car is standing in a backyard - it may come onto the market shortly.  If it does I'll post it on the forum.

FE/225-4457M
Trim:  210-545
Paint 253-7772
        256-7704

Trim number seems incompatible, but I'm pretty sure I wrote it down correctly - maybe I was having a "senior's moment"!)

I didn't get the  chassis number or engine number.

Here's a pic (don't know why it appears so large - it's only 78K)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/lewis1411/FE1.jpg)

Only one known in existence - Leon Green over Milford Green.  The 210 number is not right, but because I don't have any other cars in this colour scheme, I cant tell what it is supposed to be.

Ken

Cool.
Good work Martin.
Regards
Alex

Martin,

I have checked out valid FE-225 Codes and I think the error is in reading the '4's as a '1', which is easy to do with the way they are stamped.
I believe the code to be:
FE-225-4457-M
Trim:  (210-545)  240-545
Paint (253-7772)  253- 7472
   256-7704
Paint Colour: Leon Green over Royal Marine
Trim: Persian Turquoise & Dolphin Green
Nothing else seems to come close to matching!
Chassis  and engine number would also be nice to get
Cheers,
Geoff_K

Its odd that even though the paintwork is quite poor, the bonnet badge is in better condition than most.  There is much more colour in it than on most unrestored cars - in fact the colour seems more often completely faded away.  Maybe its parked so that it doesn't get much sunlight, but the rain can still get at it.

David

 ;)mmmm looks a bit like my fe when i got it!!id like to get my hands on this one though love the color,whatever it is!!cheers jamie ;)

Ken, sorry about the numbers - I realised when I got home that the 210 didn't work.  Maybe I was having a senior's moment  ;)  :o

Geoff K might very well have the answer.

I'll try to get another visit and re-check the numbers in the near future.

Whatever the correct numbers are, it certainly is a different colour combo.

Martin

Here's a rear-end look.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/lewis1411/FE2.jpg)

I don't know about that.  That body colour doesn't look like Royal Marine, which is much closer to blue than green.

Both Milford and Leon Green are 1956 colours, and appear one after the other in the paint book.  What's weird is that the car looks more like Milford Green over Leon Green than vice-versa.

If you get another chance to check the ID it would be very interesting indeed.  There are a range of codes 215-219 not allocated in the Exterior Trim documentation.  I wonder if this could be 218 or 216 instead of 210?

cheers
RET

Richard,

If the paint tool colours are in any way accurate, they support Leon Green over Royal Marine for the body colours.

Either way an interesting colour scheme.

regards
John

I am with Richard in that the color is definetly not royal marine as pictured maybe it was repainted at some time but as shown and allowing for 50 years of fading definetly not royal marine
Cheers
Brett

Hi,
All I attempted to do was to match valid codes with the paint number and try and explain poor quality stamping, however the following codes note:
Code 210 is 'Cascade White over Etna Maroon', which the car definitely is not.
Code 216 is 'Castle Grey over Corsair Tan'
Code 218 is 'Castle Grey over Corsair Tan'
Codes 213, 215, 217, 219 missing
Code 220 is 'Seacrest Green over Ocean Mist Green'

'Leon Green' 7 valid codes, 2 single tone, + 5 two tone with 'Royal Marine'
'Milford Green' 10 valid codes, all single tone cars (+ Vauxhall Velux 56)
I think this needs a another look if 'Royal Marine' looks too green
Cheers
Geoff_K

Hi all.

I accept that the paint tools, whilst an exceptional resource, are a bit tricky. My FE is Shoreline Beige, modelling it on the paint tools, it looks grey.

What ever colour the base one is, it is not Milford Green too light and a definite green. The base colour of the car in question is in the blue spectrum and both Leon Green and Royal Marine are grouped in this area.

Unfortunately, I've never seen this colour, but Geoff's view looks sound to me. If it isn't Royal Marine its one of the other deep blue/greens.

Cheers
John

When I made the paint tools the idea was to provide a resource that showed colours that were representative of what the original Balm colour book showed. The tool was developed using a CRT monitor with a specific colour profile and settings, and I can assure you that they were sampled directly from the Balm paint chips.

However, it should be remembered that the monitor you are looking at them on has its own way of displaying colours - I would never take them as correct on anyone elses monitor except the one that I wrote the program on.

This is also true of the people making comment about the actual colour of the car - based on what? The colour profile and capability of Martin's camera - the background light and direction, the 50 year old paint, AND the colour profile and capability of your own monitor.

Any takers on the colour of the car now  ::)

Cheers,

Craig.

Hi.
Whatever it is, it is going to be a VERY low mileage car. Why? Did anyone note the super old SA plate? This style plate would have been superseded very early on in these cars.

Just to throw another spanner in the works, what is the FB like behind it?? ;)

Craig,
When I put my monitor on "Black & White", all the colour samples change? Is this normal? :o :o ;)

Rob J

No Rob, its just Tasmania.

Enough said.  ;)

This too can be misleading - the paint chips in the original books darken over time, and aren't even necessarily representative of the true colour to begin with.  When they were new, maybe, but not 40 years later.

But I do concur with what Craig says, and have said as much to anyone who has asked me for paint formulae.  I heard of someone printing out the page from the Tech info site with all the colour swatches on an inkjet printer with plain paper in it and taking that to a spray-painter, who fortunately had the common sense to get the real formula from PPG (and no, let's not start that discussion again...)

To people seeking formulae I generally recommend getting the colour matched from areas under the door trim cards to be certain of replicating the true colour.

cheers
RET

Theres been a lot said here about colours ,if you need a colour chip of a FE or FC and want 100% of the TRUE colour let me know, and l can get 500ml mix and send to you ,the price of paint could be around $35. 8)  paint life on the car, in the 50s last up to 6 to 7 years tops in any condition ,becuse the pigment in the paint (thats the colour) breaks down and starts to turn in to a lighter or darker shade ,in the 22 years of painting cars and restoring early girls ,l have seen so many colours changing and the best only way is get it mix the way l do it ,l have 85% of colour from 1948 and onward ,there is not many others have what l got ,unless someone has rang PPG for a colour remade,This is one of the sevices l provide in my bussiness. cheers AlfioM

giday all

I remember seeing this combination before.The car belonged to our p.e. teacher Mrs. Miller and the year was 1970[so sorry no hope of an id  :'(] I remember really liking the colour combo but most of all it was and still is the earliest regisrered fe i have seen. It had vic reg. GM?-???[sorry it was a long time ago and i was only 7 at the time ::)] Too much to believe it is the same car as Ken has on file but you never know hey.


Denis

 It looks like its in pretty good nick whatever colour it is, how is it rustwise Martin ? Would it like to come and live in Kalgoorlie ?  ;D

I am with 4hammers, what is he FB like hehe

Hey Blacky if the FE wants to live in WA, maybe the FB would ike to move to VIC?? hehe

Matt

The FE is the same colours as used in one of the original ads.  I think it is the one that says "Beautiful, Colourful" or something like that.  I have a copy somewhere, but not a digi photo of it.  Maybe someone else can post the ad as a point of comparison.

Cheers,
David

To answer a few questions the car is definately royal marine with leon green roof and upper doors on the interior.it has had substantial paint on left side which is peeling showing original colour, paint colour match was appalling so does not give true colour in photos.
it has 30,485 on the clock this owner is the third owner but did not actually register the car to himself as it had only a few days rego and then it was parked and left over 10yrs ago.opened the glove box ( can anyone tell us where the term glove box came from) and inside was its original owner handbook. it has one of the cleanest trims ive seen and also comes with the airchief radio non push button type still working according to owner when parked.

As for the black and white plates they were used right up to hd /hr here in S.A.

it does suffer from rust in most usual places but does have alot of potential.Have struck a deal with the owner for the vehicle but im going back with battery, petrol and a jack just to have my fifth look, and see if i can get her started.and then haggle some more.

The FB has alot of bad rust from what i can see and is not for sale, i did ask.

revised numbers are:
      FE 225 4457M
trim 240-545
paint 253-742
RPO 253-7472
eng. no. L518815
chassis no. 7 23950 M

Ken
maybe you can explain as im confused  engine aparrently has not been changed but the number puts car as NOV. 58 build with the actual id no. 4457M and the chassis no. as the 22,950th built in melb.???? please explain

cheers
Scott

Hi Scott,

Either the engine number has been transcribed incorrectly or it's been replaced.  The engine number guide is only approximate, but it's not that far out.

L318815 would seem more likely for that ID and chassis combination.

cheers
RET

I would say engine has been changed, I have a lot of good data around that area and engine number should be L365___

Regards   Ken

thanks RET,Ken.

i also took a close up of the engine number and it is definately a no. 5 not a 3, so the motor has been replaced at some stage then.

cheers
Scott