Hi all, are FC ute doors door frames different to FC sedan doors. My door seals along the rear edge of the door come nowhere near close to sealing against the body on the rear edge.
Thanks in advance
The trouble will be along the rear edge of the door from the waistline down?
The original door seal rubber had a deeper profile in this region than the aftermarket ones. The only way I've found to make the aftermarket door rubber seal against the door frame is not to push it all the way into the groove, and instead cant it so the lip of the seal makes contact with the door.
Rob
To answer the OP's question, yes the FE/FC Ute doors are unique to the Utes.
The top rear corner is rounded, whereas the sedan, wagon & van doors are squared off. (FB/EK van doors also do this).
The part no. for the Ute door seal is also different to that of the sedan.
Dr Terry
Thank you, another question are the ute door seals available? If so where from? And do Utes have an inner door seals as per sedans? My ute looks to have never had inner seals.
Thanks Dave
Yes Rare Spares has them, utes did have inner door seals
Ken
Thank you
whats an inner door seal look like?
Quote from: fcute on April 26, 2020, 11:36:53 PM
Thank you, another question are the ute door seals available? If so where from? And do Utes have an inner door seals as per sedans? My ute looks to have never had inner seals.
Thanks Dave
They have an inner seal and windlacing, no outerseal
im still lost .are we talking about the pinchweld seal now?
I’ll stretch my memory and venture that the outer seal is rubber comma section with wider bits along the scuff plate area, on our FC special at least. Inner seal was only the fancy pinch weld or may have been D-section rubber as well.
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Quote from: waynos on May 01, 2020, 06:53:11 PM
im still lost .are we talking about the pinchweld seal now?
I usually refer to the harder rubber seal - not sure if they all have metal in the middle - as pinchweld.
Windlacing is like cording in upholstery - fabric covering a rubber/foam core that goes on the innerdoor opening
windlacing - as I said = this is what I call them, I'm no expert but to show the diff
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49841036291_0ac03e05ea_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWhkDV)IMG_0493 (https://flic.kr/p/2iWhkDV) by Helen Sheedy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151336580@N07/), on Flickr
pinchweld
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49840504958_8cf4269417_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWeBH1)Pinchweld-black-PW-001-2 (https://flic.kr/p/2iWeBH1) by Helen Sheedy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151336580@N07/), on Flickr
I'm hoping my understanding is correct - the windlacing is pushed inside the same "alligator" strip that the headlining is pushed into around the doors - I haven't done mine yet - been scratching my head about how to remove the two pack overspray that was on my headlining !!! Last weekend bit the bullet and took it off with paint stripper (put on and quickly wiped off!). It is better but still has a pinkstain :-(
There seems to be a lot of confusion here, early Holdens don’t have a pinchweld mould, that came out in later models and was used around the body openings to hide the headliner. Depending on the model, it was either plain as pictured by Roybeth or with a rubber seal glued on which then formed the door seal.
The early Holdens had a rubber inner and outer seal that was installed into channels around the door openings and the gap that was left between the headliner and the door openings was taken up by the windlacing as stated again by Roybeth. It’s been a while since I pulled my sedan apart, but from memory, the inner door seals run up the inner section of the “B†pillar front and rear from the waistline up to the roofline and the outer door seal runs around the whole door opening.
I picked up the outer door seals for the ute today, they are half right. They have no mitred corner at the top rear curve of the door window frame so will fit nicely around the curve. But rear edge around waistline height down the seal profile is a problem as it does not protrude enough. Post number two by Adiesse is spot on.
If anyone has a chance it would be handy to have a pick of a ute showing the inner seal not the wind lacing.
Thanks for the info and discussion
Roybeth and.fc ute...I have done my windlacing recently ,purchased from Daleys here in Sydney,it looks same as yours with the white rubber inner , I kept the hood lining that was in the car as it is in good condition ,I went along the alligator clip trail with a plastic kitchen spatula and opened it all up ,probably 3/8'' wide , and carefully got out the old windlacing,and any old rotted bits that wanted to stay in there ,brushed it out with soft brush,and having read what Stinky has posted on here and kindly emailed me ,the two pieces of plain webbing running the length are doubled over and pushed into the channel ,so its four thicknesses that you push in ,I put the fold outwards ,you actually make the fold as you push it in ,by outwards I mean you have the rolled section on hood lining side ,the double strips facing outwards across the channel and you push in the centre so it effectively folds it again as it goes in and pulls the patterened section up to hood lining frame join,this way the alligator clips are gripping the straight side of lacing and holds it in place ,then carefully go along the channel and tap the clips closed..a block of soft wood wrapped in cloth..I also used a clear Selleys adhesive ..This was in my special sedan , I cant say for a ute ,assume method would be same ..stay well Vern
I have a correction to make in my post from last night, the inner door seal actually goes from top to bottom, not from the waistline as I had stated. It kept me awake for a while thinking about it, so I checked it out and found a picture of the seal in place on a used pillar that confirmed my suspicions.
Jim
Quote from: fcwrangler on May 02, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
I have a correction to make in my post from last night, the inner door seal actually goes from top to bottom, not from the waistline as I had stated. It kept me awake for a while thinking about it, so I checked it out and found a picture of the seal in place on a used pillar that confirmed my suspicions.
Jim
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49843575578_8b32a88112_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWvmuJ)Door seal and windlacing aligator strip1 (https://flic.kr/p/2iWvmuJ) by Helen Sheedy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151336580@N07/), on Flickr
Hi Jim - are you referring to the windlacing? I thought the Ute's didn't have an inner seal?
ah ha
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49844201778_05f03778f1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iWyyDh)door showing origin lacing and seal (https://flic.kr/p/2iWyyDh) by Helen Sheedy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151336580@N07/), on Flickr
pic of another ute we owned briefly I'ld say original bits
Sorry Helen, I was referring to the sedan, I’d forgotten that the post was about ute doors, pays to check before posting comments!!
Jim
Quote from: fcwrangler on May 02, 2020, 06:29:38 PM
Sorry Helen, I was referring to the sedan, I’d forgotten that the post was about ute doors, pays to check before posting comments!!
Jim
All good - there were some inner seals that came with the Ute from the previous owner who had started the resto- I had given them to hubby for his FB and was thinking I'll have to steal them back !