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RTA has gone, soon to be roads and maritime services? Has anyone heard about this? And they are trying to get rid of modified cars? Hopefully this isn't true. Roads and maritime?? ................ maybe I'll put an evinrude in the van..........
 
           Cheers Glenn

Yep thats true we made a joke the other day that all the ski boats getting around will need an engineers certificate.



What a bloody joke.

It's just rationalisation of government departments. If it results in any job cuts I'll be surprised, frankly. These amalgamations are done with the best of intentions - looking for 'synergies' to reduce costs, duplication of effort etc. That side of it rarely results in very much: there might be some voluntary redundancies offered, for example.

Having said that, given the similarities: both vehicles and vessels must be registered, as must both vehicle drivers and vessel operators, it makes good sense to rationalise the permit systems. And the RTA system is far more advanced.

Just my 2c.

cheers
RET

If anything for the moment it might take their minds of the modified car seen.
our local engineer passed a hot rod the other day the owner had the plates on the counter when the phone rang do not rego that hot rod he said all rods are on hold no other details given.
engineer is chasing it up he doesnt know weather its all cars or just rods or if its cars he is passing.

My mate had the same thing happen to him he was about to pick up his plates when the RTA girl said it was on the bottom of his RTA paper work DO NOT REGISTER  ??? So he and his engineer have been at it with the RTA for over 6 months about registering his T roadster.. the head RTA inspector and two other RTA [Water Ways :D :D] inspectors and the engineer are all going to inspect the T on the 5th Dec and make a decision think they are using it as a test case .....FC427.....

That sucks.
That would be like going through a tax audit.
Regards
Alex

I have a customer that comes in and his 34 ford pickup has been over the pitts at carrington twice and has been engineer approved twice and blue slipped god knows how many times and it still not registered.

He had a fight with head office its all from 1 bloke apparentlly  so now over 12 months later still no answers?


Im getting shaky allready worrying about my cars now.

This will turn to mud, my 2c. Who has the biggest willy syndrome............

spose it will spread aussie wide... ::)???

lucky all my family live in SA ;D

thats why im getting the process started with their application process to modify a vehicle, i want the paper trail to start now in case they go stupid too!

I've been helping a guy with a Harley with after market frame, the engineer we were going to use, doesn't think he wants to part of it anymore (all recognised engineering signature had to reapply) he said he knew a lot of things that he has previously past have been called back for RTA inspection, they're making it hard for us again.

you need an R.W.C. for your kids billy cart soon... :P

so i wonder what the penalty is if you dont comply? it appears one can do drugs to the hilt but cannot have a hobby or be car enthusiast!

It's meant to be a free country, isn't that the idea, but don't own a gun, don't modify your car, don't fish without a license, don't go in a national park. We need to get organised and lobby these pollies, it has worked for plenty of other minorities greens gays etc. perhaps we could get other groups on board if we helped with there causes.  The 4w drivers  a had win against the pedestrian council with their bull bars because they got organised.

Most of us have other interests, maybe we should start raising these issues with other clubs and get a bit organised.
Off the soap box now

what can we burn...out undies.....or our bras  :D :D :D

dont forget they took the crackers off us too... :'(

Well looks like the days of hot grey motors with overworked drum brakes and kingpin frontends will be coming back into fashion, ;)

Wait a minute thats me ::) ::) grey motors have never been out of fashion in my shed ;)

Mick 8)

Mark,

How did your mate go with registration?  Im assuming full rego?

Cheers  Ed

Ed yes full rego they are meeting this Thursday at 2pm will let you know the outcome ....FC427......

Ive slowed up on my build wondering which way to go (modified or grey) .But have been told new system should be ready by chrismas. with alist of new signataries.(which could be bigger).I hope what ive been told is true as it could make the system better.

The problem, in a nutshell, is this:

• Issues pertaining to laws for authentic vehicles (concessional rego et.al.) are well served by the Council of Motor Clubs, through their official dialogue with the RTA and government. The CMC have no interest in registrable modified vehicles.
• Issues pertaining to registration of Hot Rods are well served by the Australian Street Rod Federation, and their official dialogue with the RTA and government. The ASRF have no interest in post-war/non-chassis vehicles.

There is no group championing the cause of Street Machiners, for want of a better term, in NSW. Despite the size of the movement, which is arguably as big as the restorers' scene, and certainly bigger than the Rodding scene, it is just too fragmented and too disorganised. We just get bad press courtesy of being conflated with the street racing scene. (And there is overlap, that can't be denied.)

It's reminiscent of that scene from Life of Brian: People's Front of Judea, Popular Front of Judea, Judean Peoples' Front and so on. Splitter!

If the various tribes that make up the vehicle modification scene could put aside their differences and unite, they could well have a chance of affecting RTA and government policy. But as individuals we have buckley's chance.

cheers
RET

There used to be a National organisation, ASMF (Australian Street Machine Federation), that blew up sometime in the '80s/'90s, internal fighting over money from what I understand. Chic Henry came out the winner taking over the ASMF Nationals and turning it into SummerNats.

There are some remains in various states Qld still has their ASMF division, SA has the Street Machine Assoc of SA, I think Victoria still has an Association. Agueably SA has the strongest Association with 400+ Members and 14ish Affiliated clubs representing a total of 2500+ people.
Being involved with SMASA I can't see the situation changing anytime soon, people would rather flout the law than join a club/association, everyone thinks it's too "political"  ::) when all you have to do is pay your membership money to count in the figures. It's usually the people that won't join that bleat the most about Nanny States and Draconian Governments  >:( [/RANT]

Just finished doing a screen for a curtomer who is in the asrf, he is building a 52 Chev ute with HQ running gear and a 350 chev, he had an engineer out about six weeks ago to check over the ute so it would fall under the old rules. He also said the asrf have been in constant talks with the new powers to be (headed by a woman) and they have been very productive talks. The new rules are set to come into effect from Dec. 19th, but they are still unsure in what direction they will head. Ispoke with him about the concerns voiced on the forum and he said that at htis stage they have no real idea which way the new body (Maritime & Roads) will head so it is all still up in the air. AS for enginneers there is still a long way to go as most of the old registered ones have not resighned so it is still a lot of work to do.
Regards JIm

http://ten.com.au/video-player.htm?movideo_m=150194&movideo_p=44238 ($2)
Regards
Alex

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP3_Section_LA_Engine_01jan2011_v3.pdf

i'm going through this at the moment, i was looking at fitting the WP supercharger to my club sport, and holden/hsv want nothing to do with it, they wont even sell the stuff anymore, one of the reasons i was told was the new ncop laws, no engineer want to sign off on a 620hp street driven car anymore and as the hp increase is close to 50% extra

even if you hot up the standard grey if the cops suspect more then a 14hp increase engineers is required (20% rule)

Ive been over it with my 355ci stroker in a vs, they now pull out a spark spark and measure it with a laser and its a instant yellow sticker (but no fine)

it also states in the new ncop laws that anything undergoing mods,
'If a project is taking a long time to complete, check the currency of the version you are using'.

In reference to my earlier reply (#20, above), my attention has been drawn to the very recent formation of the Australian Confederation of Motor Clubs ($2), whose charter appears to be very much what I was talking about. The committee is certainly a who's who, led by Tony O'Donnell from Shannons, and with representatives from ANSMA, ASRF and the CMC.

They are planning an event at Eastern Creek on 26 February that sounds like it might be worth attending. Have a look at the 2nd Newsletter ($2) on the site for more information.

yep pollies love numbers, if this stuff concerns you get off yor arses and be at eastern creek on the 26/2 i'm 3 hours away and unless something serious comes up i'll be there
every extra head there makes the pollies pay that much more attention

Ret, I think this topic should be raised at the Jan. meeting, we should try and get as many as possible to show up and put our two cents worth in. Even if we are only running standard cars with no mods we should support the others that have modified their cars and do all we can to stop this stupidity dead in it's tracks.
Regards Jim

More info here:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/authorisedinspectors/vsccs/vsccs_qa.html ($2)
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsccs_eoi_dl1.html ($2)
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/bulletin_1_v2_21_12_2011.pdf ($2)


Regards
Alex

I thought I should update this thread, with the ACMC event ($2) on this coming weekend.

John Rap and I will be attending the "Conference" part of this event, as delegates from the FE-FC HCC NSW, and will report back at the next club meeting.

All club and forum members are urged to participate in the event, and bring your vehicle along to help show the strength of the movement. Entry is free.

Download the official flyer ($2).

cheers
RET

FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE REVISED REGO COMPLIANCE SYSTEM THAT IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CHANGE SOME INFO FROM THE MEETING AT EASTERN CREEK LAST WEEKEND

 

2012 Motor Enthusiast Conference

 

Report From Our ACMC Inc Secretary,

Today’s inaugural Motor Enthusiast Conference was a phenomenal success and we would like to thank all of the conference delegates and car show participants for their enthusiastic contribution.

Over 160 delegates had the opportunity to engage with the Minister and senior members of the RMS whilst outside hundreds of enthusiast cars were on display.

In attendance at the conference were:
Minister for Roads & Ports, Hon Duncan Gay MLC,
Senior Policy Advisor – Mr Andrew Huckel,
Acting Director for Customer and Compliance Services – Mr Peter Wells,
Deputy Director General for Policy and Regulation, Transport NSW –  Mr Tim Reardon,
Principle Manager Roads, Registration and Licencing at Transport for NSW – Mr Terry Hickey
Manager Regulatory Scheme Policy, RMS – Mr Ken Cleary
RMS Vehicle Inspector – Mr Greame Snell,
Street Machine Magazine Editor - Geoff Seddon,
And
NSW Nationals Party Executive and Conference Chairman – Mr Alan Hay

NSW Nationals Senator John Williams also came alone to show his support for the Motor Enthusiast Community.

The key aspects of Minister Gay’s speech included the following announcements:-

•    Section 55A of the ‘Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007’ reinstating the relevance of ancillary documents and alternative options to meet compliance.
•    A respected member of the Motor Enthusiast Community to be appointed  to the Safety Board that reports to the Minister
•    A new working group is to be formed in order to review outstanding issues pertaining to standards, legislation and implementation and reporting to the Safety Board. The Working Group is to have representation from the Motor Enthusiast Community, Signatories, RMS, Transport for NSW and NSW Police.
•    The ‘abridged’ break test is not to be mandatory but at the discretion of the Certifier
•    The ‘abridged’ break test is to be forwarded to the new working group for review; the Minister insists that any resolution must be safe, practical and affordable.
•    It is not intended that electronic stability control be mandatory on vehicles that do not already have an ESC.
•    When a dispute arises over the originality of pre ADR components a panel incorporating the Motor Enthusiast Community will be formed to report their findings to the RMS
•    VSI 50 will be forwarded to the new working group for resolution
•    VSB14 and VSI 59 will be forwarded to the new working group for resolution
•    Following 8+ years of stagnation the ‘National Guidelines for Street-Rod Modification & Construction’ will be forwarded to the new working group for resolution

It has been a historic day for the Motor Enthusiast Community and a new proactive relationship has been entered into with the RMS. There is still much work to be done but we are confident that within this new environment of consultation we can achieve our goals.

In recognition of his unparalleled contribution to the Motor Enthusiast Community; Conference Chairman Alan Hay was appointed Patron of the Australian Confederation of Motor Clubs. Congratulations Alan!

The RMS have provided documented answers to the questions submitted which will be available on the ACMC website on Tuesday.

Once again, thank you all for your continued support.

YouTube Link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwk9Y-d6RC4&list=UUtjnYCDQ-g3Vm1UkQhOE1kg&index=1&feature=plcp

More footage updates will be on this YouTube







 

 



 

 








 

Had some people asking about this, It was an e-mail from my the club secretary I copied and pasted.
  Cheers Glenn

This Friday there is a meeting to discuss a 90 day Conditional Rego Scheme for Modified Vehicles in NSW.

(http://s10.postimage.org/xfedtzt5x/90_Day_registration_scheme.jpg) ($2)

It's very encouraging to see progress on this, so kudos to the ACMC and the RMS.

cheers
RET

Good news..........