Hey guys does it have to be an EH sump for the red motor conversion or is there another on also like LC torrie etc.
There was some discussion about this at an earlier date, although I am unsure which thread. It had pictures too.
IIRC, in an FC, a LC/LJ sump combined with a HR front end will cause the engine to sit a couple of centimetres closer to the firewall when compared to an EH sump combined with HR front end.
I am happy to be corrected though :)
Kind regards,
Ol_Girl_58
I was told over the weekend of an EK with red, HR front end and HK,T,G sump. The 'bell' of the sump sits between the crossmember and the drag link.
I'm sure this option would have been tried before.
Colin.
Cool sounds good fellas it opens my options a fair bit more. Does a HQ sump work also being a rear hump.
I don't believe a HKTG sump will fit an FC nor will a HQ. Early Torana and EH are the only 2 which will fit without modification.
Ken
With the price that people want for EH sumps it might be cheaper to modify one
i had an FB van with a H/KTG sump fitted so it can be done, i didn't do it it was like it when i bought it so not real sure how it was done but the mounts were at the back of the cross member as usuall
In the 1970's I modified/merged an EH Sump and a HR sump.
Ended up with 2 sump plugs, and plenty of oil capacity
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5081/88621549.th.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq5v_SA)
I fitted the HR Disc Brake Front End and Drag Link at the same time as I fitted the 202 Red Motor.
All you need is 2 sumps, and some modification to oil pickup.
Geoff_K
Geoff is the drag link off a HR as well and how did you make the sump ?
how did you make the sump ???????
grinder and a mig...........
Lol nice one I meant what went where and the measurements etc.
sorry
trial and error........
cut the hump off and weld it at the rear...
hard to explane over the net....
This thread begs the question.
For a gumby (me) how do you distinguish an en EH or early Torana sump from all the rest. The van I am buying has already had a red conversion done which looks OK (it's a 179 so perhaps it was an EH engine anyway) but it does seem like the engine sits pretty close to the front. The pump mounted fan has been eliminated in favour of an electric - forward mounted - one.
Is there an easy way to pick one?
Dave Mac
The sump "hump" is at the back of the motor.
For Jason,
The drag link is HR (in fact complete HR disc brake front end, steering arms, links etc) up to FE Steering Box spline.
Cutting the sumps - long time ago, I think I used a hacksaw, would use a nibbling tool if I were to do it today.
Welded/braised it all back together with the oxy. (3 to 4 pieces were rearranged/needed - from 2 sumps)
In the process I set the Red Motor lower than standard, so the Toyota 5 speed was fitted without cutting out the floor.
Not the most elegant job, but it works. (car will be at 13th Nats if you want to have a bo-peep)
Geoff
Here's a really good resource regards sump profiles/types
http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/Sumps
Quote from: vmx-mxr on September 09, 2009, 07:37:14 AM
This thread begs the question.
For a gumby (me) how do you distinguish an en EH or early Torana sump from all the rest. The van I am buying has already had a red conversion done which looks OK (it's a 179 so perhaps it was an EH engine anyway) but it does seem like the engine sits pretty close to the front. The pump mounted fan has been eliminated in favour of an electric - forward mounted - one.
Is there an easy way to pick one?
Dave Mac
::) Dave , an EH sump is very near the same profile as a grey motor sump but approx 1 inch longer.
LC/LJ Torana sumps have the sump hump right at the rear of the sump assembly, if that makes any sense.
Other red motor sumps are a combination of in betweens for hump position.
As always - thanks guys.
That link posted by Craig was very good and the other tips useful too - now which one is regarded as the best one to opt for. I like the idea of the baffle to reduce surge in the Torana sump.
It'll be interesting to look at the sump on the van when I see it again.
Cheers
Dave Mac
Unless you plan on racing around a track or rallying a bit the baffle really won't make a difference on a normally driven road car.
Go either way but I'd go for the EH sump personally.Make sure you get the oil pickup to suit the particular sump you choose.
What is a bolt in collapsible column to fit as well
without knowing what exact setup you plan on using, any number of columns with the collapsible (mesh type) section with inner telescopic steering rod can be used.
Of course the style of end required will dictate choice in most cases, although I know of cases where steering shafts have been modified, x-rayed and approved by engineers to suit.
Just today I was thinking about the humble Rodeo Steering box and it's ability to be power assisted.
it's compact, of a similar weighted vehicle, you can get power assisted variants. I haven't looked further but has got me thinking of taking some measurements for further investigation.
The rodeo is metric which would probably present some kind of hurdle, Coupled with a shortened column, again from the Rodeo, and a custom fibreglass shroud for the visible part in front of dash, I think it has potential to work.
I'll be working on a FE soon so will take some pics and measurements out of curiosity.
the setups are cheap and plentiful as well (would use a TF 88 - 97 model)
Sorry it's not really that relevant to your thread... I just felt like sharing an idea,, perhaps somebody has already done this?
Cheers
Ed
Chasing a bolt in type of setup for steering box as well as column.
No such thing exists - all collapsible columns have to be custom built to suit the application. A mix of Torana or Commodore columns combined with a modified HR steering shaft would be a reasonable start.
Ken
C'mon Ed, what would you know about custom fibreglass shrouds.... ;D
Got me an LC LJ sump and pickup from the wreckers for $35.00 as opposed to other wreckers wanting $150.00 how is there such a huge difference in prices.
Quote from: jasonr70002 on September 10, 2009, 12:11:46 PM
Got me an LC LJ sump and pickup from the wreckers for $35.00 as opposed to other wreckers wanting $150.00 how is there such a huge difference in prices.
simple most wreckers are thieves ;D