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G'day.

Does anyone know if a "new" electronic distributor is available for a grey motor? I recently bought a brand new HEI unit for a red motor (built in coil and big cap) from a mob in Adelaide and I'm very pleased with it's performance. Unfortunately they don't offer the same for the grey.
Alternatively, can anyone recommend someone who can do an electronic conversion?

Regards,

Sooops
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Soops,

Have a look at "Real Cars - Members Photo Album" and read the last post by Custom FC. Page 5 will explain what he did with the Distributor for the "Bad Girl" Hope this helps.

Rusty

Hi,
I had my wagon upgraded to electronic ignition by Performance Ignition Services in Nunawading but I'm sure they could post you the unit:

http://www.performanceignition.com.au/home

They seem happy (even pleased) to work on older cars and its a fairly tidy installation:

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2cesuhv.jpg)

Jonno

Check these threads out where this topic has been discussed before:

http://fefcholden.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,10613.msg62625.html#msg62625
http://fefcholden.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,12418.msg74367.html#msg74367

cheers
RET

G'day all,

Thanks very much for all the information, it's a great help.

Sooops. ;D

Hi everyone, I'm curently modifying an XE Falcon EI to siut my Grey Motor and it looks pretty simple if you have access to a lathe. I'll let you know the result when its completed,
                                                         Cheers Scott

I have followed this thread and the attached threads with interest. With points getting a little harder to get (I have been unable to source Bosch GB 504), it maybe time to go down this route as well.

Through these threads and my research I have come to a number of possibilities.
1. The Scorcher unit.
2. Cranes Fireball as described by RET
3. Pertronix Ignitor
4. A CDI kit from Jaycar.

All have their pro's and con's. The Scorcher looks like a good option. Its compact and doesn't seem out of place but the price might be a little prohibitive (would take a lot of points to cover the cost). The Crane Fireball has been described very well by RET. The Pertronix Ignitor looks like a great alternative. The module is enclosed under the distributor cap and everything looks ridgy didge. While not as expensive as the Scorcher it is dearer than the Fireball. Finally the CDI unit while not truly not a true electronic ignition has an external box (like the fireball) and still uses points. I have been told that you may never have to replace the points again with a CDI kit. It is the cheapest of all the options but can cause problems with cross over between cylinders which if the leads aren't insulated properly could lead to possible internal damage. Apparently these kits have improved over the years.

I would be very interested in comments on any of the above units before making an informed decision. I am interested how these work, ie: how they achieve proper timing and how they work with the vacuum advance of the old grey's. Do they take into account using unleaded fuel etc... Any thought would be great.

Scott have you got any update on you Falcon modification.I would be interested on how these go in light of my above thoughts.

Cheers and thanks again.

Rod

Scott, how have you got on with the Falcon modification? I would be interested in your progress.

I have also come across the following site in the US - www.Hot-Spark.com and they post to AUS. I got some info back from them and this was there reply.
"Yes, quite possibly. I'm not familiar with Holden, but our ignition kits fit generally fit 1968 and later Bosch distributors with one-piece points. The 3BOS6U1L kit fits 6-cyl Bosch distributors with left-hand points. The 3BOS6U1 kit fits 6-cyl Bosch distributors with right-hand points. Please compare the points in your distributor to the photo of points on our website, www.Hot-Spark.com , to know which kit to order. Also, the magnet sleeve fits distributor shaft cam lobes measuring about 15.85mm from flat spot to flat spot, and not the larger distributor shaft cam lobes measuring 17.5mm or so."

On further investigation the lobes seem to around 15.85mm on my measurements but out dizzys have a post. I think (as RET mentioned in a previous post) that if the post was removed this unit would fit up well. Seems like a good option if it works and its not expensive once you take the dollar conversion into consideration.

Whats everyone's thoughts? Is it work getting? Has anyone used / come across these before?

Cheers

Rod
 
 

Hi Rod, No good with the Falcon Dizzy. Everything looked alright at the beginning, but once i had turned down the body of the dizzy then went to fit it in the block, it hit the side plate. It ended up sitting too low, so i ended up ringing up Scorcher and sending down a cam gear off an old points dizzy and my cam details and they made me a brand new one. It fits perfect, i wouldnt bother stuffing around with something like that again. It can be done if you don't mind peening in the side plate, but you still end up with a second hand dizzy,
               Cheers Scott

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the update.

I decided to go with the Pertronix Ignitor kit. I had to make just one minor modification to the pivot pin which included some slight filing (minor indeed). Set it up and it worked an absolute treat. The Hot Spark while being significantly cheaper would have needed much modification including the removal of the pivot pin. Then there was no guarantee that it would work. I discounted the Cranes Fireball and CDI only because I wanted to keep a relative stock look and they had external boxes. Both the Ignitor and Hot Spark's modules fit under the dizzy cap.

I have read that with electronic ignition you can open up the spark plug gap by 5 thou. Someone hear maybe able to confirm this.

For those interested I ordered the kit from the USA and it arrived just under 6 days from ordering. Would struggle to get it from an Aussie seller that quick. It was a little less than half the cost here (delivered)with the conversion taken into account.It would even be cheaper now as the Aussie $ has gone up. The kit number is 1864A.

Its been an interesting exercise and been a learning experience.

Cheers


Rod

Hey Rod,
Can you give me some details of how you purchased the PerTronix unit. Their Web site indicates they do not sell into Australia.

Thanks,
Trevor_B

Sure can Trev,

Here we go- http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/bosch.htm

I've had the kit installed for just over a week and only opened the gap of the plugs up to 35thou on the weekend. While I can't say for certain that there has been a power increase, the engine seems to be smoother. Also I haven't taken accurate records but I believe there has been an improvement in fuel consumption.

I suspect you went to the PerTronix site in the US where as RetroRockets is a supplier of their products. I understand why they wouldn't send to us as they want to protect out distributor but how can we justify paying twice as much as the US. They need to be more realistic in their pricing and not to exploit Old Car Enthusiasts. I am sure RetroRockets are making a profit.

Hope the link helps.

Rod

Thanks Rod,
I will give them a try. $US93 + postage (about $130 Aussie) sounds better than the $300 from the local Australia Distrubtor...

I also found some installation details at this site: http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/maintenance/ignitionpert/ignitionpert.htm ($2) albeit a mercedes site but still a very similar Bosch distributor. They show a 47 series and confirm the 1864A unit fits a 38 & 32 series whereas the FC one is a 30 series so should be easy enough as you indicate.

Thanks again for your help.

Trevor_B

No Probs Trev,

I closely followed more of the instructions at the bottom of the page. What ever you do DONT push down to hard on the magnet ring to get it seated (using socket as suggested).I broke off a little of the plastic on the top of the ring and hence the ring went down to far and car wouldn't start. Push down with thumb only.Then raised it slightly and all was good. Drove it around for 4 days until i glue the plastic together again. As I said in a previous post I had to modify the vacuum advance pivot pin as shown in the article you posted.

I had another look around and found cheaper places in the US than the one I used. Check this out also: http://www.warehouseautoparts.com/store/page45.html ($87.46 US) and http://www.carshopinc.com/index.php/cPath/21_24_22/page/3 ($77.95 US)

Cheers

Rod

Hi Rod,
Followed your advice re the Pertronix, purchased one from Warehouse parts http://www.warehouseautoparts.com/store/page45.html, paid $122 aussie to the door in 4 days.
Fitted this weekend following the guidance here: http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/maintenance/ignitionpert/ignitionpert.htm and had the ute running again in 45 mins.

Definite power increase although this could have been due to fitting a GT40 Bosch coil ($5 for a near new one at Warrigal swap meet last week  :) ).

Trevor_B

Glad to here Trev that all worked out for you as well. I've thought about getting another one sent over at those prices for my FE sedan /to have as a spare. Wouldn't consider it if I had to purchase her in Oz.

Cheers

Rod

Hi Trev is the GT40 Bosch coil a red coil and is it actually a GT40R with a R in the serial nember. Good stuuf on the electronic conversion. Good info.

Regards

Wayne

Hi Wayne,
It's a red bosch 12 Volt coil i.e. GT40 - definitely not the Resistor type (GT40R).

I learnt form this thread http://fefcholden.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,4407.0.html ($2) that I needed a 12 Volt one hence the GT40.

Trevor_B

hi there. long story short, i have a distributer out of a 138, Bosch type, that has been modified, and i don't know why. i wish to convert the dizzy to electronic ignition, but am unsure if it is possible with the mods that have already been done. here it is...

1) the linkage(s) coming out of the vacuum advance unit have been removed
2) the breaker plate appears to have been tack welded to either the plate under it or the wall of the dizzy.
3) there appears to be no other mods i can see.

what i would like to know is:

will these mods affect installation of electronic ignition?
why would anyone perform these mods to start with?
would i be better off leaving the dizzy as is?

the engine has a fairly chunky WEY cam, twin carbs on a Speco manifold, extractors, red motor inlet and exhaust valves and is bored out to (i think) 40 thou over.
the engine is a conglomeration of 3 stripped down engines, however the most of the speed bits came off an FC (i think) grey motor.

thanks for any help anyone can give,
SSFX

SSFX, your distributor seems to have been modified for full mechanical advance. That is what they did to mine when I had that done.

I don't know whether it can be changed to electronic.

Colin.

What does the WEY stand for?

Regards
Alex

Dosen't it stand for Waggot Engineering Yagoona ?

Yes, pretty sure WEY is Waggot engineering. not sure what you mean by full mechanical advance, is this a good thing? all i am trying to do is rebuild an engine that was hotrodded many years ago, with no record or idea of what has been modified (and this extends to the body and running gear too), and no idea if it was a Good mod or a Bad one. best bet i have is the vehicle was a absolute ball tearer, but i am really struggling with the engine, as this is the very first one i have ever built up. thanks for the help, sure i will be back with many more questions.

I used the Car Inc Warehouse and in 7 days for $120 Aus it was on my doorstop. http://www.carshopinc.com/index.php/cPath/21_24_22/page/3 ($77.95 US). Also managed to get a SBC fuel pump as well. All good.

Thanks for the tips.

Wayne

Thought I would give a little update after some further research. As mentioned in a previous post I did install a pertronic kit and 18 months later it hasn't missed a beat.

I have gone back and matched the mercedes distributor with corresponding unit which used the same pertronix module as the trusty grey. I then went to http://www.hot-spark.com/1-Bosch-Distributors.htm which I made mention in a previous post. It now seems that they produce a kit for the corresponding mercedes unit hence the grey. The kit number is3BOS6V2. Now at $59.99 with $26 (US) postage if anyone is after a cheaper option than the pertronix, this kit maybe the way to go. With the Aussie $ on almost parity with the us, I might order a kit and keep it as a spare at that cost.

I hope the info is of interest.

Rod

Just FYI I have a modified Falcon electroci dizzy for my EJ.  My uncle machined the shafts.

hello , has anyone used the kits from GMHNASCO on ebay ,   they are an aussie product , anyone from ere make em
cheers dave